Wednesday, 21 May 2014

So you think the ballot is secret??

Thursday 22nd May is election day for Council and Euro-Parliamentary elections. Editorially we know how we will be voting. We will not reveal how we will vote except to say that before we would vote Labour in Tameside we would self emasculate, eat our own kidneys and watch tennis at Wimbledon !!!

However, there is one story which we like to keep alive, and that is the truth about the Secret Ballot. Basically, there is no secret ballot.

When you enter the polling station the person sitting at the desk asks for your polling card. If you don't have it  you tell them your name and address. They find your entry in the electoral register and cross you off so you can't vote twice. So far so good.

What happens next is not so good. Having found you in the electoral register and crossed you off, the polling clerk calls out the number which appears next to your name in the register, together with the registration reference of the polling district you live in. eg Waterloo ; WAT 1

This is a unique combination and identifies one person only................... the voter.

This unique number is then written on the counter foil attached to your ballot paper  and then your ballot paper goes in the ballot box. The counter foil is kept under council security (sic).

From now on tracing your vote is s simple clerical exercise.

81 comments:

Carl Simmons Voter said...

Are you trying to frighten people away from voting Ukip?

Tameside Citizen said...

@ Carl Simmons Voter.

Quite the opposite, the more voters there are the less easy it is to trace the vote due to sheer volume.

But the main question is "Why have a procedure which allows the vote to be traced?

No idea who i just voted for said...

I'd gladly shout from the roof tops who i just voted for even more so who i didn't.

Its my first time voting haven't been registered for years. Probably wouldn't of registered this time if it wasn't for those threats get sent in the post.

Since i was hassled to sign up i made sure it wasn't wasted. Its a damn shame i couldn't find Roy on the list. It was a tossup between UKIP and Conservative and UKIP won. The alternative vote option would of been nice to have.

I'd vote for anyone who can beat the current lot.

Anonymous said...

When Roy West got 734 votes in 2008 it worried them all the more because it was a bnp vote.
Will ukip beat that score tonight, good chance they will.

Anonymous said...

Any British person who still votes main party is either: Stupid; insane; deluded; an enemy; a traitor; or selfish.
A few years ago it was a case of, look around at what they've done to our country. Now you don't even have to do that, it's absolutely unavoidable and indisputable.

Christian said...

This has been going on for years. The most obvious abuse of this kind came in 2004 when the EU parliamentary elections were all postal ballots. Many public sector workers were told by their bosses and by national newspapers that their ballot papers could be traced back to them via the barcodes on each voting slip. This put hundreds of thousands of people off voting BNP.

The big question here is whether Tameside MBC and other public bodies trace people's ballot papers when selecting people for promotion within said bodies? In all probability they do!

Reimer said...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/22/EXCLUSIVE-Numerous-Breaches-of-Election-Rules-At-Polling-Stations-Across-Tower-Hamlets

And barely anyone lifts a finger to stop it.

R

Monsters Under The Bed said...

I see that Roy West's accusers wrote to new charter housing to complain about his dangerous politcal views.

Anonymous said...

Extremely significant letter attacking Roy West discovered in the commons postbag, sent to Andrew Gwynne MP in 2008.
The letter with slanderous and libelous content was not sent anonymously.
The letter describes Mr West as having dangerous political views, accusing him of displaying overtly racist messages in his window.
"vote bnp"? poppies? flags?
The letter goes onto say, that Mr West spreads warped and twisted racist leaflets.
Remember this came after the 2008 elections when Mr West recieved 734 votes.

Anonymous said...

It seems that Curmudgeoen is the only blogger round here not afraid of the Mafia.
Great article here http://musingsofcurmudgeon.blogspot.co.uk/

A must read for those in the dark on the truth.

Anonymous said...

It's also important to remember that most Labour MP's are opposed to fox hunting and hunting with dogs.

Ashton Market invaded said...

Swarm of ees descended on Ashton market today.

Anonymous said...

You better watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3hY1eagq88

Anonymous said...

It's like there's no radical approach to this blog at all anymore.
It limps from day to day with no real purpose but toe the line, tease them with soft articles but don't bite down hard.

Anonymous said...

I urgently request that a co-auther be brought in to address the balance on this blog.
More radical articles are needed pontificating is ok on a scale to 1 to 10.
But the blog is lacking something and it's noticable.

Anonymous said...

When Griffin is dumped on Sunday a new begining may result.
Griffin destroyed the bnp.

Anonymous said...

Question: what is more warped and twisted killing defenseless animals for enjoyment, or opposing killing defenceless animals for enjoyment?

Anonymous said...

I would not want my grandchildren exposed to the killing fields of blood sports.
My political vews don't kill animals.
I would not want a child to witness a dog killing a fox or some other defenseless creature.

very close said...

Candidate Party Votes %
Nancy Jaeger Green Party 159 5.2%
Oliver Ryan The Labour Party Candidate 1284 42.0% Elected
David Turner UK Independence Party 1162 38.0%
Colin White The Conservative Party Candidate 429 14.0%

Anonymous said...

@10:43 i wonder who said that?
warped political views, so you mean it was a political persecution after all?

Anonymous said...

Well done on your result Mr Cooke.

Anonymous said...

Well done to Bill Kitchen BNP st Peter's ward for holding his nerve coming second.

Anonymous said...

Overtly racist messages like "Britain For The British"
"Putting British People First"
"Enoch Powell Was Right"
"No To Immigration"
There's so many naughty words.

Christian said...

Well done to Carl Simmons in Denton South ward, coming a very close second with 1085 votes to Labour's 1160.

I feel sure that if it weren't for the vicious and libellous smear leaflet from the other independent candidate, Mr Simmons would have won.

Well done also to UKIP for a brilliant showing especially in Droylsden East and Audenshaw.

Looking forward to Sunday evening as I voted UKIP, and now in two minds whether to join up as a member.

Anonymous said...

@23/05/2014 17:45 The letter attacking Roy West ends with a VERY significant message/point.

I hope you take time to reply because currantly I feel that no one is interested in how this man's racist and dangerous political views are impacting on a nice, local, family community.
I certainly wouldn't want my children or grandchildren to be influenced by such an extreme and warped political stance.

10,000 said...

Nearly 10,000 votes for UKIP in Tameside last night.

Anonymous said...

@14:48 you obviously don't understand the nature of the articles written for the Citizen.

They are well thought out, well constructed, and relevent.

Anonymous said...

These articles are written to make you think that's what you don't get.

Anonymous said...

@ 14:48 I dont think the blog is lacking anything, it's become noticable that the quality content has improved a great deal.
If that's any use to you?

Anonymous said...

BNP deny Ukip first seat in Manchester. Is it true all former BNP members are banned from joining Ukip?

Moston

Yasmine Dar (LAB) 1543

Nigel Houston (UKIP) 1406

Daniel Kallmunzer (CON) 321

Luke Smith (GRN) 203

Stephen Carden (BNP) 153

Anonymous said...

Labour's only significant electoral success has been in London.
The reason is that the immigrant population is now in a significant majority over the indigenous one.
Labour are now the party of the immigrant and the non-indigenous. This will increasingly become the case over the next few years.

Anonymous said...

Well done to UKIP who averaged a fantastic 29.87% in the 11 wards they contested in Tameside.
Their reward, under the patently unfair and undemocratic electoral system operating at council level was, nothing.
The Tory showing was pathetic and Labour's, desperately mediocre, especially considering they've got to try and win an election in twelve months.
Ironically Tameside Tories only highspot was the freak result in Ashton Hurst where they won by 18 votes. If UKIP HAD stood in this ward the Conservatives would have lost and been reduced to an even more pathetic 4 seats out of 57. Conservative leader John bell got lucky as it wasn't his turn to stand in Hyde Werneth where his Tory colleague, standing councillor Ruth Welsh, was comfortably beaten by Labour, courtesy of UKIP's extremely strong showing (21.9% of the vote).
The Conservative party nationally had better wake up before it's too late, especially on the issues of immigration and the EU.

Anonymous said...

@19:51 in my view a very two-faced posting. You know that Roy West was smeared in the elections.
UKIP don't allow ex-members of the bnp to join.

Anonymous said...

The result for ukip in Tameside means that more and more people are becoming warped in the way they are thinking.

Anonymous said...

I know that one man is already plotting to SMEAR ukip, in fact anyone that comes close to making a challenge to this rancid Labour Mafia we have in Tameside.

Anonymous said...

So if you voted ukip then what did you vote for?

Anonymous said...

If you voted ukip what do you think you've voted for, maybe a watered down bnp?
What were the main motivations behind your vote for ukip?

Anonymous said...

For those slow to catch on, one reason for voting UKIP is that they aren't the bungling incompetent imbeciles the BNP are (or were - RIP). The calibre of their candidates is generally far higher, and they don't have a leader who alienates and disgruntles just about anyone and everyone he comes into contact with who is competent.

Anonymous said...

The above are relevant questions about ukip because of the coming SMEARS against them.
Ukip are now a major threat to the Labour Mafia in Tameside, the only party that's come close. They did better than the bnp with only 11 candidates.

Anonymous said...

Voting UKIP sent a powerful message to the establishment parties that people want action on the issues of immigration and the EU.
The excellent and groundbreaking UKIP vote (with almost certainly a lot more to come in the EU result) shows they are now a viable 3rd/4th party - and maybe more - and has seriously upset the main party apple cart.
Tory MP Peter Bone made an excellent point yesterday, in saying that the centre right vote now accounts for over 50% of the total (meaning a potential massive majority in a general election) and the Conservatives may HAVE TO consider an electoral pact with UKIP if they (and Britain) want to avoid the appalling prospect of a Labour government.
However 'real' Nationalist UKIP are or not, they are definitely at the moment the least worst option and the only party, in terms of rapidly growing membership and public support capable of genuinely shaking up the establishment traitors.

Anonymous said...

@19:51 So if you try and join ukip will you tell them you are ex bnp candidate?
I sometimes wonder if you live in the real world.
Ukip are trying a purge at the moment on ex bnp in the party.
They don't want to come across as racist.
Christian what's your views on the holocaust?

Anonymous said...

Poor old Christian, you can't help but feel sorry for for him. Christian, before you attempt to board the ukip bandwagon would you be prepared to publicly renounce racism and declare that you no longer are a racist. Ukip is a non racist a libertarian party.

Anonymous said...

Interesting to read Councillor John Taylor's take on CCTV in the Advertiser.
Roy West the accussed of relentless harassment and abuse against his neighbours, despite being under the constant watchful eye of CCTV cameras where he lives. There's not one single piece of CCTV footage of Roy West acting out any of this alledge harassment and abuse against his neighbours.
There's got to be a plain and simple reason why there's no CCTV footage to show.

Christian said...

There are many reasons why I voted for UKIP including, obviously, their policy of getting us out of the nightmare that is the EU.

I visited the EU parliament in Brussels three times in 2010/11 as part of a delegation at the invitation of Andrew Brons MEP and what we discovered there was pretty sickening especially the enormous corruption going on. It was not until my visits to Brussels itself that I realised just how desperately we need to get out of the EU if we are going to survive as a nation at all.

While we were in Brussels we met Nigel Farage, who was sitting by himself at a table outside one of the many cafes that surround the EU parliament, and I must say he was extremely friendly. I was surprised at how courteous he was given that he knew we were from a rival party (the naughtiest party in the world ever!).

You have to admit that he does come across very well in the media - so much better than NG.

Cllr Brian Parker re-elected in Pendle said...

So the BNP amazingly still do have an elected councillor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01orY67Y8UA

Get lost Jowell said...

"These results show London as an open, tolerant and diverse city,” tweeted Tessa Jowell. Dame Tessa, Labour MP for Dulwich and West Norwood, Minister for the Olympics under the last Labour government, is a liked and respected figure. Nevertheless, her tweet could have been precisely calculated to turn the stomach of anyone living more than 10 miles from Hyde Park Corner.


London, in her implication, is an open, tolerant and diverse city because so few of its voters went for Ukip in Thursday’s local elections, whereas so many did so in the rest of England. Not only is she saying how wonderful London is: she is also saying how frightful the rest of the English are. Unintentionally, she expressed the metropolitan sense of moral superiority of which the electorate has now had more than enough.

Yesterday I heard a BBC reporter, in a comical but telling slip of the tongue, describing London as “ethically diverse”. This is true. A strange coalition, first forged by Ken Livingstone, somehow knits together gay-rights activists with Islamist fanatics who want homosexuals thrown off cliffs, the more right-on sort of cosmopolitan entrepreneur with the most bloody-minded public-sector trade unionist. As long ago as 2010, Labour’s national membership was revealed to be more than a fifth drawn from London (though London is only 12.5 per cent of the national population), with five times as many members in Hampstead as in Hartlepool. This trend has strengthened, and Ukip’s incursions into Labour’s northern territory on Thursday are a reaction against it. Ed Miliband sits for a seat in Doncaster (where Labour just lost two council seats), but his heart, and his house, are in Primrose Hill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/local-elections/10852204/Local-elections-The-capital-fails-to-see-the-heartache-and-pain-beyond.html

SerpentSlayer said...

I voted for UKIP to drag the electorate away from the liblabcon, to force the hydra parties to give us an EU referendum and to drag our political culture towards patriotism and nationalism.
UKIP in many cases stands for what people want it to be and the ultra-Tory views of it's leaders matters little.Where people were scared away from the BNP, they were encouraged to see Ukip as a safe alternative.
This has backfired and now UKIP are a major force and people are realising that most of the people they know want their country back how it was.

Anonymous said...

@14:32 why don't you answer the question, will you tell ukip that you were a bnp candidate?
On the other hand ukip would not turned their noses up at getting former bnp votes

How far we've come said...

No Muslims marching down the street wanting to behead anyone here.

Anonymous said...

The banning of BNP members from UKIP is a mere public relations exercise, rather than being indicative of genuine anti-racist sentiment. They know that the biggest proportion of former BNP members would be no great loss anyway, and any such ban won't put off those voters who are switching ballot box allegiance over to UKIP. Farage and his party are treading a fine line and not giving the mainstream the ammunition they so crave. That means being fundamentally different from the big three and separate from the traditional far right.

Anonymous said...

Counting down the last hours of Nick Griffin MEP.

The man that destroyed the BNP.
The time he tried to make a fool out of the Queen over the garden party affair.
Sacked all those good hard working activists.

“Ugly white men” said...

Only if you say "ugly black men" would it be seen racist.

Yellow and Blue said...

There's a deafening silence from Cameron on the UKIP hurricane heading his way.
Just like there was during the council/EU campaign on the one issue that is UKIP's greatest strength (and Cameron's worst fear): Immigration.
The 'I' word is utterly toxic in Dave's new metrosexual, nicey nicey, pretend Conservative party. The whole stagnant, unprincipled blue edifice is in utter, cowardly denial on the issue.
After tonight's EU results we'll find out if the man's got ANY balls whatsoever.
Only when a large number of Tory gravy train riders, AKA MPs, see their seats genuinely under threat next May and start rebelling, and only when the Conservative Party faces a return to the political wilderness that is opposition, will there be serious rumblings of discontent. That's when Cameron's OWN position will be threatened, and THAT is when he'll act - because he'll HAVE to.
It was Cameron who cost the Tories an overall majority in the 2010 general election (against the worst and most unpopular opponents in British political history Gordon Brown and his bunch of abject, economy wrecking failures) because he totally blanked the issue of immigration in the campaign, when that and the economy should have been the foundations of it. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
No normal, patriotic Brit could vote for these traitors or any of the establishment parties.

Alf Garnett said...

ukip HA HA HA ? I dont want no party that will only take us out of the EU ? I want out of the EU and all this shit out of my country that i did.nt invite here in the first place ? So ukip are not for me and they're no use to any one else either ? all ukip voters are kidding them selfs ? or are you all happy that your kids cant get homes or hosptal appointments ? were also loseing all our green space and much much more ? So stop going on about ukip because what are they going to do to put all these rong that were done to us right ?

And you that KFC serving halal was bad said...

Chicken in a bush

Anonymous said...

Suggest some sad fairwell songs for Nick

Anonymous said...

Nick Griffin made a balls of it when all that money and power went to his head.
Most nationalists would be glad to see the back of him.

Anonymous said...

Re KFC Halal: It brings a whole new meaning to pubelick relations.

Anonymous said...

@ Ugly White Men, Chi Onwurah is, ironically, MP for Newcastle Central, one of the Whitest parts of the country, and also one of Labour's most diehard White working class areas remaining, along with Liverpool and South Wales.
This won't stop the Geordie 'I virrt Layburr me man' cretins from continuing to vote for the party undermining their very culture, heritage and existence and also voting for people like Onwurah.

Anonymous said...

I recently spoke to a ukip member when they were round with leaflets canvassing and asked him if I coming from a background of being a bnp member, would be welcome in ukip? Bluntly told no so I proceeded to ask why they refuse to accept members from parties who joined them parties because they had genuine convictions about immigration but would accept those from parties who were the architects of the multicultural hell hole we now find ourselves in. Just a blank look in reply. Whatever hopes some have of ukip, I'm afraid they will be very disappointed...

Reimer said...

Apparently a new day has dawned. You could've fooled me. I recall the last one in 2009, and it just led further up the garden path laid down by the enemy.

Batten Down The Hatches said...

Travellers back in the area. Hundreds of them setting up at camp at the recently closed Renold Chain factory on Stockport Road.

Anonymous said...

Nick Griffin won't be happy untill he's taken the BNP to it's lowest level. He's been an absolute disaster he sacked all the good activists, anyone that he saw as a threat to his power base.

NW Results in full here said...

100,000 voters turn their backs on Griffin let's hope Griffin never returns to destroy the hopes of nationalists again.

Anonymous said...

The BNP had a great opportunity and let it slip from their fingers. Nick Griffin must have come to realise he wasnt up to the task but wouldnt allow democracy in the party to get better people flourish and take it forward.

I always saw Nick as the Neil Kinnock of nationalism. Neil fought off the powerful unions to make Labour electable.But it then took Blair to get Labour in.
Nick fought off the Neo Nazis to begin to make the party electable but it would have took someone else to take the party forward, Griffin wouldnt allow that.

Hundreds of decent activists now left high and dry. If they join another party, or create a new one, Griffins toxicity will follow them like a bad criminal record.

WW2 said...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tameside-bomb-squad-called-site-7166524

Alf Garnett said...

I don't know what to think about the BNP now ? The party gave me so much hope not long ago and what's more it gave me hope for my kids but I have to agree it went down the pan when a lot of good people left ? It was a shame coz when they left so did my hope even lads like Roy for all his folts he got stuck in and did a good job and it was lads like Roy that made the BNP he put his self at big risk by doing so infact we all put are selfs at big risks and for what the likes of ukip to come along after the ground work had been done ? people could now say things that they had been thinking for years but with all the PC crap that had been pushed on us by the left they felt they couldn't speak about ? Well the people of the BNP made it so you could ? Not Ukip or the EDL but brave people of the BNP lads like Roy , Mike , David and Dave and even big Bev and meny meny more of us f_cking brave men and women and you should all be proud coz you all tryed and there's not one of ukips lot fit to lick any of your lots bums clean ? I don't know what's to come now or were to go but ukip are definitely not the answer and never will be so RIP England and God help the UK


Anonymous said...

@13:36 "There's got to be a plain and simple reason why there's no CCTV footage to show."

Because there's nothing to show.

You can't piss on my back and tell me it's raining Ed said...

Ed Miliband: it's not prejudiced to be concerned about immigration

The Labour leader said: "Some of the people who voted for Ukip came from that part of working Britain who do the right thing, who work hard for a living and are really, really struggling to make ends meet. They are in tough jobs but life is a real struggle for them.

"They are people who love our country but they are people who are saying the country is not working for me. They feel left behind by what has happened to Britain – some people, who in years gone by, would have been Labour till they die, some people whose parents have always been Labour, whose grandparents have always been Labour."

He said: "Immigration benefits our country as a whole. As the son of immigrants I know immigration needs to be properly managed. That is why I have changed Labour's position on immigration since 2010 because it is not prejudiced to worry about immigration. It is understandable

(so there you have it, Labour understand and they can be trusted when it comes to immigration)

outraged at homophobic and racist comments by newly elected ukip councillor said...

Saying Pakistani men wear pyjamas is now a racial slur. As is suggesting some foreigners jabber in a foreign language.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-councillor-dave-small-suspended-over-claims-he-made-racist-and-homophobic-comments-on-facebook-9442466.html

Anonymous said...

Miliband's fake empathy with the northern working class has been caused directly by UKIP's massive vote in these formerly rock solid Labour heartlands.
The UKIP vote in the North East, where voting Labour is akin to breathing, is typical of this seismic voting shift and has proven unequivocally that large numbers of traditional White working class Labour voters KNOW they've been utterly abandoned by new-New Labour's complete disconnect from the problems mass, uncontrolled immigration has had on the working class.

SerpentSlayer said...

Labour understand our concerns, I can believe that. They mean to destroy the country by overwhelming it's resources and out feeding it's people.
They can only do this with our consent, by that I mean the white working class, so they pretend now that all the horrors of 1997 onwards were a mistake. All while headed by an unlikeable foreigner who despises us.

Anonymous said...

Well you know that Roy West was reported to the police by new charter housing, for saying "Just off the boat" and "Enoch Powell Was Right"
Roy West was interviewed under incitement to cause racial hatred.
Two weeks later police arrived at his house to inform him that no further action would be taken.

Anonymous said...

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Aeschylus

Remember Alf -Great words come from Great men said...

Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy.
Aristotle

Traitors Justice said...

Don't do yourself down Alf lad. You played a major role too. The money you donated and the enthusiasm you shown was an inspiration to many. Let's remember Alf, we are down but we are not out and we will certainly be back and it is a certainty that the traitors who destroyed the country will get their comeuppance.

Those that know the truth, need not to be told said...

It is an easy thing for one whose foot is on the outside of calamity to give advice and to rebuke the sufferer.
Aeschylus BC

Race. To the finish. said...

Remember:
Non-White indigenous = good.
White indigenous = bad.

Philip Lewis said...

People are saying that ex-BNP members can't join UKIP, but that really depends on the local organiser. I know of at least one former BNP colleague who has been welcomed by his local UKIP branch.(He has been advised by the organiser to use a psuedonym for the time being and he's happy to oblige.)

hypocritical drone said...

Do they turn these cliché loaded drones out on a production line? Send her to live in Longsight for a couple of months and she would certainly have a change of tune. http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.uk/incoming/demise-bnps-nick-griffin-celebrated-7182305

Scarlett Pimpernel said...

Well said 'Hypocritical Drone' - make her live in Longsight or Levenshulme for a couple of months. But she prefers to hide out in places like Stalybridge lol.