Friday, 28 August 2009

Hyde child rapist jailed


A 22-year-old man who raped two 13-year-old girls in his car after plying them with alcohol has been jailed for 14 years. Munshur Ali, from Hyde in Greater Manchester, asked his victims for directions and began chatting with them before offering the young girls a lift. Ali drove the girls to an off licence in Stockport and bought them a bottle of vodka to drink. He then took them to a church and raped the pair twice in the back of his car. While passing sentence, Judge Peter Larkin said: "You subjected these two vulnerable, naive 13-year-olds to a terrifying ordeal." The judge described Munshur Ali as "devious and manipulative". He said: "Not only have you made serious and deeply unpleasant allegations against the two girls, you also concocted a defence to fit the prosecution evidence against you." The girls mothers, who can't be named for legal reasons, said their children were naïve and too trusting: "We are absolutely devastated. "To any other young girls, I just want to say if you are going out - stay with a group... And never get into anyone's car."
The second victim's mother said: "It's easy to say don't drink, but it's part of growing up. And it's so easy to get hold of alcohol now - I think the Government needs to crack down on that. "They are not the same children now. He didn't show any remorse at court, joking with his friends. It's disgusting." Speaking outside court, Detective Constable Lindsey Morgan said: "Both the girls have basically lost their innocent childhood, and they are traumatised by what's happened to them." When asked about Munshur Ali she commented: "I think he was a sly, evil person...and he went out on this evening knowing that his intention was to get vulnerable girls into his car and rape them." Sky News

What we have here, right in the heart of our borough is a classic case of Asian sex grooming. The Times, The Telegraph and many other newspapers have run features on this epidemic which always follows the same format as this disgusting case. You don’t believe me; you think I am making it up? Go to Google and type “Asian Sex Grooming” and see what you find.

If we had anything like decent or honest politicians this heinous epidemic of white child rape by grown Asian men would be treated as a number one priority, but as we know, we are governed by spineless politically correct cowards and they choose to ignore it.

Let us take a look at this case in Hyde. We see that Munshur Ali took his victims to a church before raping them. Turn the tables; imagine an epidemic of white men up and down the country who are deliberately targeting Asian children for rape. Imagine then that one of these verminous rapist abducts two Asian children and takes them to a mosque to rape them, what would the result of this be? You would have every weasel politician in the country expressing outrage. Governmental enquiries would be set up to investigate the epidemic. ‘Community leaders’ would be brought in to ease ‘community tensions’ following the outrage. What happens when we revert back to Asian on white child rape – yep; silence! Bring on the day where these beasts have to account to the people for their actions! Tameside Citizen

64 comments:

John Taylor said...

His testicles should now be removed and the key for the prison cell thrown away

Anonymous said...

Now you wont read that in the Advertiser or the Reporter.

Strength Through Diversity, not. said...

Racist pervert paedophile.

Tameside Citizen said...

It would be hearting to think that comment was made by the real John Taylor as in Cllr Taylor. Contrary to what people may believe, I have no way of identifying the identities of those who post here (but the Police certainly can). If it is indeed Cllr Taylor, I would urge you sir to look at this vile case as part of a larger epidemic which is on a national scale. Until people in elected office start to raise this issue our daughters will always be in the targets of these organised predatory sex monsters. They may be from a protected minority community and it may be most un-PC to discuss this epidemic, but for the sake of our children will someone please make some noise about this crisis sweeping Britain.

Racist but true said...

It isn't double standards by our gutless and/or insane elected representatives, it's PURE double standards. There is also a massively disproportionate amount of black on white rape committed by Afro-Caribbean men which is buried by our leaders and their lickspittle toadies in the media. Racial targeting of ALL offences should be used in the fight against crime. Gender and age already are, so why not race?

ABC said...

The difference between this vile, criminal degenerate and a typical, scum indigenous offender is that there is ZERO chance of a Muslim sex groomer picking a victim from their own community, thus PROVING racially prejudiced selection of victims, also the Muslims would take their own 'measures' against such a man. This problem needs addressing before it causes serious social division because it WILL get out despite attempted media suppression.

Englander said...

Where's Harriet 'manhater' Harman when women REALLY need her?

Anonymous said...

Just a last word on the animal cruelty issue, the Australian government has sanctioned the cull of a million wild camels as their numbers are totally out of control.

Anonymous said...

This excuse of a man will NOT get a sentence to fit the crime as our prisons are full (too many immigrants in our country). It sickens me to the stomach to think that this is the case. If he wasn't born in this country he should be sent straight back to wherever he came from with NOTHING! Any money, property he has here should be sold and the money should go to helping women recover from this terrible, discusting attack. As a woman myself, I would personally like to remove his penis with a rusty spoon and feed it to him.

Anonymous said...

Make sure it's Halal.

Disgusted from Hyde said...

I can't believe this is happening in Tameside.

Tom Hatton said...

Disgusting! I've always been a firm believer in capital punishment and this case just proves why!

News of the World said...

Don't really understand your comments about keeping it quite TC, the story is on all TV bulletins Sky have it running every half hour, all local radio stations have had it on all day it will be headline news in the daily papers.
Would you like me to shout it from the town hall steps?

EXPOSE THE ORGANISED RAPISTS said...

I think he means the link between these multipile rapes carried out by the same group of people against the same group of people. This is child mollestation on an organised scale. The media, especially the BBC should use their position to warn psarents and children of roving gangs of organised rapists such as this animal from Hyde. Every case is treated as a one off when everyone in the know, knows each rape is part of a far larger problem,but the fear of appearing to be racist by highlighting it stops those in positions of power from highlighting it. If nobedy else will bring the organised scale of this rape epidemic I can think of only one person with the courage to do so: NICK GRIFFIN

Outing the scum said...

The following MPs refuse to condemn the epidemic of Asian men grooming young white girls for sex, and are also sponsors of the violent anti-BNP hate group, Unite Against Fascism (UAF).

Peter Hain MP
David Hanson MP
Adam Price MP
Barbara Follett MP
Diane Abbott MP
John Cryer MP
John Trickett MP
Keith Vaz MP
Peter Bottomley MP
Alice Mahon MP
Alan Meale MP
Ian Gibson MP
Sir Teddy Taylor MP
Harry Cohen MP
Betty Williams MP
Ken Purchase MP
Alistair Carmichael MP
Laura Moffatt MP
Peter Bradley MP
Vera Baird MP
Bill Etherington MP
Edward Garnier MP
Roger Berry MP
Angela Smith MP
Brian Iddon MP
Anthony Steen MP
Mike Hancock MP
Colin Pickthall MP
Clive Betts MP
Janet Anderson MP
Neil Gerrard MP
Jane Griffiths MP
Brian Donohue MP
Helen Clark MP
Terry Davis MP
Janet Dean MP
Adrian Bailey MP
David Cameron MP
Louise Ellman MP
Eric Illsley MP
Kelvin Hopkins MP
Ernie Ross MP
Rob Marris MP
Martin Caton MP
Jim Sheridan MP
Martin Jones MP
Paul Tyler MP
Colin Challen MP
David Wright MP
Rudi Vis MP
Tony Worthington MP
Derek Watts MP
Julie Morgan MP
Rev W Martin Smyth MP
Diana Organ MP
Doug Henderson MP
Barry Gardiner MP

Tom Hatton said...

Where's all this fuss about Asian men on white girls stemming from? There's no 'epidemic'. There's no inherent belief among Asian men that white girls are inferior.

A few fascists basically can't get their heads around the fact that some white girls fancy Asian blokes and vice versa.

I'm not excusing what the subject of this article did, but please, let's not get carried away in a race-fuelled frenzy.

not in denial said...

Tom, you are right on the ball kid, of course there is no epidemic of grooming of white girls by Asians, this, this , this and this (and the list could go on and on if I could be bothered) is just blatant Fascist propaganda. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. There is no epidemic of Asian rape in Britain. Just keep on repeating in Tom and maybe you will sleep easier at night - and let’s hope you do not have any sisters who one day become victims!

Outing the Scum said...

Tom, you are ignorant and stupid.

A former Chief Constable of West Yorkshire has admitted that there is an epidemic of racist grooming carried out by Asian men against under age white girls in places like Bradford and Oldham.

Please get your facts right and grow up.

Tom Hatton said...

let me guess...there's also an epidemic of black on white rape; an epidemic of white on white rape!

The Asian community is one of the few communities which still has conservative values. Yes, rape does happen, andi n areas like Hyde, Oldham et al, Asian on white rape will be higher than in other areas of the country. All i'm saying is let's not stigmatise the whole of the Asian male subculture.

Tom Hatton said...

You're missing my point! I'm makign the case that we shouldn't run away with ourselves and alienate a whole community. C'mon, it's not on the scale that whites raped black women during the slave trade! No race is morally superior to another, in terms of ability or sexual morality. End of.

fair play for victims said...

Tom, this is a crisis that nobody will take seriously - except the victims, their families and the BNP. Do you not realise the BNP has reams of documents and video proving that white girls are being deliberately targeted? By ignoring the facts or even worse denying that it is happening you are leaving the BNP with an open playing field which at the moment they do not know how to exploit, but one day they will - and this will give them hero status and purveyors of the truth. Of course all Asian men are not rapists. I have a lot more in common with some socially conservative Asian people than I do with my own countrymen, but ignoring this crisis is a dangerous game Tom because it is real and it is happening all around us. Have you forgotten about this rape earlier in the year in Hattersley, or does she not count because she is from a deprived council estate?

Outing the Scum said...

The point is this. There is a huge problem in certain parts of the country with Asian, mainly Muslim,
men grooming under age white girls for sex by plying them with drink and drugs and offers of money, jewellery etc.

What does the Conservative party intend to do about this problem?

stop the rot said...

Tom do yourself a favour stay out of serious politics, just mess about on facebook like Stacey and Liam do leave the serious stuff to the adults.

Living is easy with eyes closed said...

Mr Hatton, if you are saying the amount of black (i.e. Afro-Caribbean) on white rape is not massively disproportionate you are exposing your utter ignorance of the subjeact. A major study in America on the same subject was mothballed when it revealed the sheer scale of the imbalance.
On Asian grooming, if the situation was reversed David Cameron would be all over it, decrying, 'racist white gangs' to gain the Muslim block vote. At the rate they reproduce this and a tidal wave of associated problems will engulf Britain within a few decades unless action is taken very soon.

Ex-Commie said...

Tom, why do these Muslim gangs never target their own kind if it's not systematic, organised and racially motivated? Don't let ambition and fear destroy your integrity.

Britain is Labouring said...

Taylor, f**k off this site until you restore freedom of speech to the Dukinfield Views Blog.

Anonymous said...

tom hatton what planet are you on you idiot,this has been going on for the last few years but now its going on too much.this is a nation wide problem where the media and liebour totally ignore because they dont want to upset the muslims,how can liebour have a go when they know they get the block vote from these people.

Idiom said...

There truly are none so blind as those who refuse to see!

No noose is bad news said...

He'll be out before he's thirty. Vote LibLabCon if you think that's justice.

Tnuc a si rolyat said...

F**k off Taylor, your Party lets 25%of burglars off with a caution.

Strength through Diversity said...

Big deal, he was convicted of rape and he is from sn ethnic minority background. This is an obvious attempt to whip up anti minority hatred because of the actions of one man. For all the bigots - there are far more many convicted rapists who are white, but you choose to ignore that.

hang labourite paedos said...

Read about this filthy Labour peado from Leeds. Typical Labour vermin, also a founder of the ANL in 1977, probably a mate of Taylors. Hang the bastard!

THE DISGRACED former mayor of Hebden Royd has walked free after admitting downloading 1,000 child porn pictures.
Stewart Brown also distributed 10 of the sick images.

Some of the children were as young as four. Five of the pictures were rated level five – the most serious.

Brown, 60, of Nutclough, Hebden Bridge, was given a nine-month suspended sentence yesterday.

He said the shame of the case had pushed him to the brink of suicide.

Brown, a Labour Party candidate for Elland in last year's council elections, also admitted distributing 10 indecent images of youngsters under the user name Teenracer on an internet forum called Skooldays.

He was arrested in April last year after specialist police internet investigators discovered Brown on the site.

As well as viewing and downloading images, he also posted pictures of a 12-year-old schoolgirl he had stolen from the popular children's social networking site Bebo.

Michael Collins, prosecuting at Leeds Crown Court, said officers swooped on his Hebden Bridge home and confiscated computers, CDs and other digital material.

Of the images recovered, five were level five and 32 were level four.

Brown was interviewed at Halifax police station and told officers he had been downloading indecent material for a number of years and had developed an interest in schoolgirls.

Judge Alistair McCallum told him: "This is immense shame you have bought upon yourself.

"You had risen to a position of trust and would have been looked up to by people.

"What brought you to this situation I suppose you are still trying to work out for yourself.

"You could have hoped to go into retirement thoroughly lauded and respected for what you have achieved. Instead you have lost your reputation."

Bryan Ing, for Brown, said: "It is the biggest shame that could be bought upon someone and has left him with suicidal tendencies.

"What has happened has ruined his life and he has lost his good name as the mayor of Hebden Royd."

Brown will have his sentence suspended for two years and will attend a sex offender's treatment programme and be put on the sex offender register.

He must pay £1,200 costs.

Outside court, Det Con John Higgins who led the investigation, said: "Stewart Brown was a pillar of the community but he has contributed to the vile trade of images of child abuse."

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/Child-porn-exmayor-is-freed.5587526.jp

the cat's out of the bag said...

Its not just in Hyde. Read what the bastards are up to in Norway too.

Immigrants behind most cases of aggravated sexual assault
The Oslo Police have over the past three years investigated 41 cases of aggravated sexual assault, which resulted in rape. All of them were carried out by non-western immigrants to Norway.

The police now urge that more efforts be put into preventive measures among men with immigrant background.

The police have investigated all reported cases of aggravated sexual assault over the past three years, and have gained a clear imprssion of the offenders:

Most of the rapists have a Kurdish or African background, NRK reports. The cases of aggravated sexual assults all have one thing in common, namely the use of gross violence.
http://www.norwaypost.no/content/view/21900/26/

tonydj said...

Dear "Hang Labour Paedos"

Thanks for your posting. I knew Brown when he and I worked in Manchester Town Hall in the 70's.

I was active in the National Front and he was a left-wing scum bag in ANAL (Anti-Nazi League)

That posting has made my day!

Tom Hatton said...

Fair Play for Victims....I do not accept your criticism that rape of poor people is something I'm not bothered about...after all, I come from the very same 'deprived council estate' as she does!

And as for all the other people who have misconstrued my views I am not 'denying a growing problem'. I'm saying that as a nation, stigmatising a whole generation of Asians will not do us any favours. The way to solve this problem is to go back to strong conservative values: we need to break the grip of state multiculturalism so this Asian community becomes our community; we need to go back to supporting marriage and making divorce more difficult; we need a selective education system which pushes all people; and, most of all, we need a strong, fair, and tough penal/justice system.

Solving those problems will, I believe (perhaps rather naively), go some way to addressing the whole growing problem of rape. I know for sure that racialising the issue so extremists can gain political capital will *not* solve it.

Tom Hatton said...

stop the rot....I find your comment terribly ironic! haha

Tom Hatton said...

Ex-Commie...I think your question is one that needs answering. I think they don't target their own because they will probably know them!

The Asian community is very close-knit in Tameside and I think that has something to do with it.

Tom Hatton said...

Anyone seen this sickening group:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=107842384066

and so it continues said...

Good answers Tom, you along with a guy from UKIP are one of the few who will argue your point in a sensible way, but the crisis continues. Ignoring this is not an option.

the exception rather than the rule said...

It's not just girls they do this to either, what about this from todays paper in Blackburn?

Tom Hatton said...

And So It Continues...absolutely, the crisis continues. Ask the people in that article: Do they feel British? No. Do they understand the special bond of familal love? Blatently not given what they did! Are they scared of the punishment they will receive because of their crimes? No. Turns those answers into yesses and I think they would have acted differently that night.

Ask them: you're black/Asian and therefore inherently sexually immoral, aren't you? I don't think you need me to script the answer to that one!

Anyone else think we're asking the wrong questions and giving the wrong answers when racialising this issue?

Rape can NEVER be justified said...

Yet again Tom – a first class answer! The sentences they receive for these horrendous crimes is not a deterrent, but even in countries where they have public hanging by slow strangulation (Iran) or beheading by the sword (Saudi Arabia) these crimes still occasionally happen. Storgē doesn’t enter the equation in cases such this. Do they feel British? How can they when they choose self inflicted isolation, subscribe to a medieval religion/ideology which is totally incompatible with British values and face no condemnation from their own people when they commit such heinous acts?

What ever I say Tom you are not going to believe me. You subscribe to the belief that these are just one off attacks carried out by ‘disaffected yoof’. You think that their religion has nothing to do with this crisis being inflicted upon our daughters, sisters and mothers. It is basically down to racism? The ‘racist’ British state which fails to recognise these ‘disaffected’ young men as actually being British, the ‘racist’ British media who have the blatant audacity to publish details of these crimes, and most importantly, the ‘racist’ victims who make a wilful effort to report these attacks to the authorities and even worse, they actually reveal the attackers to be of a different race to their own. Damn racist trouble causers!

Tom, you better take a look at this and hear it from a different source. The passage discussing Islam and sexual slavery is quite revealing, but totally racist! Well it must be, because it makes suggestions that there is a link, it is not a British or nationalist publication, but it is still deeply racist, well it is, isn’t it Tom?

welcome to the mad house said...

Tom I did not think I would ever say this but we have found someone dafter than West, you have now taken over from him well done lad.

Tom Hatton said...

I'm sorry to have dissapointed you Welcome to the Madhouse, but my beliefs aren't palatable to everyone and I'm afraid I hate racism in all of its forms. I'm proud of that.

'Rape Can Never Be Justified'. I think I agree with your broader point about Islam/minorities getting away with their evil practices by pulling the discrimination card. I don't think discrimination can be justified because 'it's part of my religion'. Sometimes (and this is where I differ from lefties) I think parts of religions, especially Islam, should be banned (a good case was made on the previous thread about banning Halal) and I think it's the state's job to stand up and crush these elements. Forced marriage; marital rape; homophobia; racism NOT acceptable in Britain - even if it's 'part of your religon'. However, raping white girls is not part of Islam. The 'broken Britain' which Cameron and the Tories are addressing so brilliantly will help solve the increasing numbers of rape cases.

Union said...

Congratulations STD, you're (totally predictably) the first to make an issue of his race - not that you're obsessed or anything - when everyone else is talking about the cultural issues. Stay out of an argument you're too yellow to discuss frankly.

Ex-Commie said...

Jesus Tom, 'I don't think they target their own because they know them', what a pathetically weak response. The criticicm of Islamic grooming is based on CULTURE, the committing of it is based on RACE, THEY are the racists not those who dare to broach the subject. As for Cameron banning certain aspects of Islam that would take courage and integrity, qualities he doesn't have.
Don't turn into a gutless, mainstream, promotion whore Mr Hatton, as many of your comments are intelligent, honestly held and courageously expressed.

Racist but true said...

From a purely racial perspective, black on white rape in Western Europe and America is a massive and growing problem. Unfortunately our leaders are too spineless to even mention the problem.

debate stopper said...

"I hate racism in all of its forms" Good on you Tom lad! Tom, please give me your defination of what racism is?

Tom Hatton said...

I'll go one further and give you a definition in the context of this debate, how bout that, pal?!

Racism: To believe that Asians and Blacks are less sexually moral than white people. Racist. No proof. Fantasy.

ignorance is bliss said...

Tom lad, if it was proven to you beyond any reasonable doubt that Black & Asian males do indeed carry out a disproportionably higher number of rapes and sexual assaults compared to white males, what would your answer to that be?

Tom Hatton said...

ignorance is bliss....i'm afraid it's not that simple. Proportionally speaking, there are more poor (desperate? dissillusioned? criminalised? uneducated?) black people in this country compared to white people so the statistics you think of do not back up what you're saying.

I've got a better solution: address the points in brackets above and watch the rape rate plummet!

Sigmund Freud said...

Fascinating, so assuming statistically speaking Black & Asian males do carry out a disproportionably higher amount sexual assaults and rapes than their white counterparts, you put it down to these individuals being “desperate” “disillusioned” “criminalised” “uneducated”, if I read what you are saying correctly Tom, you are suggesting these people are being failed by the state, and this is what leads them to behave in this way?

Tom Hatton said...

"suggesting these people are being failed by the state, and this is what leads them to behave in this way"

No. That statement suggests their predicaments are an excuse for what they do. I say, their predicaments is inducive of a criminal lifestyle and one in which it is hard to break free from.

I argue that if social mobility was restored, strong law and order, and families staying together there would be fewer rapes. I'm not excusing their behaviour and saying it's the state's fault - that's a socialist way of looking at it! I'm saying the state can help.

Freudian Slip said...

Great answer Tom, so by your reckoning, poor white people who are restricted through lack of social mobility, and these other problems which you suggest blight the communities from which Black & Asian sex attackers emerge, are equally as likely to become sex predators?

Tom Hatton said...

I would agree with that yes. Evidence to the conrary? If statistics disprove what I say I will look again at the issue. However, all the evidence I've seen supports my conclusions.

Watch those who defend the indefensible said...

I don’t have time now Tom, but I will continue this tomorrow when I get back.

Black is black said...

Blacks commit a masively disproportionate amount of violent crime, fact. Check the Home Office's own figures. Gutless excusemongers from the establishent Parties are making things worse with their craven 'excuses' such as social factors. These exist for every ethnicity so are not relevant to this discussion.

Race to the finish said...

'If statistics disprove what I say', investigate first then give your opinion, based on the facts. Why do you want to believe it's not true. Isn't that reverse racism? The Police have repeatedly expressed growing concern about immigrant gangs, of various ethnicities, in recent years and the extreme violence they use. Nobody cries 'racism' when the Triads are mentioned so why when black on white rape is raised is the 'r' word used to suppress debate and in doing so make the problem worse. When was the last time you read a story about white rape gangc terrorising black or Asian women?

Strength through Diversity said...

I knew it, the racists have no answer. They do not mention Hindley & Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Sydney Cooke, Ian Huntley or any of the other evil white killers rotting away in jail. Just like the Nazis they allways scapegoat the vulnerable. The Nazis targetted Jewish people and the new Nazis target asian and black people in the same way.

Union said...

STD, as usual you only target white perpetrators confirming your anti-white prejudice. This debate started about the severe and growing problem of young Muslim men grooming non-Muslims for sexual abuse and prostitution, in other words criticism of a culture not race. Several people have posted about the problems of the massive amount of violent crime and racially motivated rape committed by young black men, a racially based but also true comment.
You have not denied the veracity of any of the above but instead have launched into one of your hate filled tirades based entirely on your hatred of white people. Serial killers are far more likely to be white and violent street robbers are far more likely to be black but only one of the above statements is acceptable to a pure racist like yourself.

Roy West said...

Don't Tell Me How To Be Black.

The Great Man Speaks.

Anonymous said...

Hey did not take them to a church , the offence took place in a street ajacent to a church quite different.

Any way no need to worry about the website its gone and it is stayin gone of that you can be sure '?'

Strength through Diversity said...

Why has the website gone? I am sure Munshur is innocent and is a victim of a terrible misscarriage of justice. I have alerted Unison campaign personell about Munshur's plight. Please rstore the website so we can get a petition organised.

Anonymous said...

This Manshur Ali is one ugly guy alright. No white woman would be seen dead with him. Anyway, he will still get well buggered in prison by the older inmates.