Precisely the problem isn't it... you were in Waterloo. Isn't there an election to be won in Denton? And you wonder why we did what we did.
I find it offensive that you say I am not a Conservative. I think you know who I am Liam. I have been active in the party for a considerable number of years and I am not prepared for CF or anyone elese for that matter to try and usurp the wishes of ordinary rank and file members in Denton and Reddish.
You might think we are irrelevant but we were campaigning for the party when it was unpopular to be Conservative.
Nor do we have to take the sort of abuse and vitriol that we have received in recent months. it is in the interest of the party that we all pull together and elect our first Conservative councillor in Denton North East since before YOU were born.
Knocking on doors in Waterloo quite frankly does not help that cause one bit.
Nor does that madam badmouthing an extremely hard working, dedicated and committed friend of mine who will make a first rate councillor for her home area if given the chance to do so.
Let's get behind the party and stop this nonsense now.
As for Doreen, I never said she wanted to be leader. She hasn't been all that well recently, but boy would she make a formidable opposition to those Labourite cretins in the council, unlike jelly belly.
Oh and Doreen could be Chair of the PTA? Really?? Not given that she is rightly dead against the pact with the Lib Dems and isn't afraid to say so!
Clearly you haven't heard her rant about the stitch up last year between Matthew Colledge and the Liberals which she most certainly did not approve of.
The Tories have joined the traitors gate coalition. Labour Tory, they are all the same bunch of C**** Britain needs real change before we are left with sod all, with all the floods of immigrants taking over!
You are just a fucktard who clearly knows nothing about campaigning. Howarth is a failure, got to within 13 votes and didnt even ask for a recount. Now just shut up, dont preach to me!
Leave your abuse at home Liam. You know full well it was the kind of behaviour that we've had to endure for the past few months.
Joan did ask for a recount. She lost by 12 on the initial count and by 13 on the second. I know. I was there at the Festival Hall. Denton West wasn't even on our radar in 2008. All our effort was in Audenshaw where we lost by 300 with no Liberal. That was the real scandal of the night, given all the resources thrown at that campaign. Maybe if Joan had not been left on her own in Denton West, that ward would be blue now.
Instead, those who let Joan down then, now bitch about her.
Likewise Georgina. Do people like you Liam not see she has a following in Denton both inside and outside the party? We don't want to blow our solid progression in the ward by picking a nonentity who is unknown and who will split our local party.
People forget, we will be the ones expected to pick up all the pieces when it all goes pear shaped. We are the ones who will have to stand again next May.
Don't call me a fucktard. It is completely unbecoming of you. You are not worthy to clean shoes with your tongue if you publicly use that tone with me. But at least people can see the abuse we have had from CF and others.
I agree, that we need a complete change in the way we allow destructive people into our local Denton Conservative group. Enough is Enough. John get a grip of this situation.
All I know is that we are being told Georgina cannot be our candidate. Well bullies need to be confronted. We WILL have Georgina Greenwood and those plans are well in advance now.
I have also today received a phone call asking if I was involved in the posts on this site and to stop forthwith if so. There is democracy for you.
Liam, Like Stacey, hold few Conservative values. In some ways they have a definite Labourite mindset. I can remember the days when all male Conservative members were gentlemen and al female members were Ladies. I suppose the riff-raff element we have attracted over recent years is just a symptom of the decline of national standards of decency as a whole. Imagine Liam and Stacey trying to pretend to be Conservatives in the days of Stanley Baldwin.
At the end of the day we are all Conservatives and while we argue Labour are out canvassing. This is no spin to bring this spat to an end it is absolute fact. If we want to win we must all unite behind our candidate and do our party and the people of Denton NE proud.
OK, I am beginning to lose my patience with this. You attack the current leadership "Doreen for Leader" for not having any balls, yet you are happy to hide behind a pseudonym. Grow a pair of balls yourself and show us who you really are.
You say you want a party united and call an end to the comments. I agree, but it is you who started it in the first place.
I am just struggling to see who the mystery man is behind "Doreen for Leader" and that is why I can't see it being a member of the Conservative party.
I think you know who I am Liam and YES I am a Denton Conservative member. Given the bullying going on at present, of course I am not going to publicly out myself. Let's just see what happens by Friday first.
Stacy is a party girl nothing wrong with that. She's young blood, the old Tory guard need to get back the old Conservative values nothing wrong with that either. They need to, so they can win back the lost Tories that strongly still believe in family values and so on. The old guard believe that the young blood are destructive so out they must go.
I find it difficult to understand why the so called stalwarts (older members) of the conservative party live in the past as though they were once elected councillors. None of these members were ever elected no matter how close they may say they came they did not win and that is what matters. Why, therefore, are they living in the past as the past they seem to be referring to was not a successful time for the likes of Joan or the others. Joan was never seen in the Denton West area when she was campaigning and this is a predominantly Conservative area and has been for more than fifty years. As far as Doreen for leader states that the younger members are not ladies nor gentlemen is pure ageism and Jealousy. The only members of the Conservatives that have knocked on my door or made themselves known to the constituents in the Tameside area have been the younger members who have behaved with impeccable manners. It doesnt matter how long the older members have been part of the Conservative party if they are not winning. Why all the historics? Surely a winning party needs to move with the times and make room for the younger members who are more in touch with todays society. Why are the older members so fearful of the young people joining the party? If the party does not make the younger members welcome,which they clearly are not, the party will become like the dinorsaurs, extinct!
What is a self-confessed Nancy Boy doing in a Party that purports to uphold family (definition: 1 man, one woman plus children) values? No wonder the 'old' guard don't want you. Join the LibDems they'll have anyone.
ANONYMOUS you are wrong. Alurie O'Sullivan was a councillor in Audenshaw, Georgina Greenwood was a councillor in Salford.
It is the bullying we object to. Let us choose our own candidate. And when we do, don't go scurrying off blubbering to people outside. That's our point!
We Tories want our party back from these destructive party people. The Tory party has lost thousands of good members to the BNP of all parties. Just like the National Front took thousands of our members till Maggie got them all back. But NOW it's different with the BNP we don't have a leader like Maggie to get them back
Actually Anon, John Major was the PM when Alurie represented Audenshaw. She wasn't the only one to loose her seat, so did John Bell I seem to remember.
Anyway weve had one more Tory PM since Major. Happy days.
If older Tory members would embrace young talent (who by the way, are the one who do the footwork) then we would have a more successful united party. This bickering has to stop now before any more damage is done. The CF will be around for many more years to come and they will be the ones to continue the hard work. It's time to pass on the baton. Change is important and those who cannot adapt to change will be left behind, or even worse, be the ones who stop Tameside Tories from progressing and winning more seats. More to the point, our leader talks about change all the time and this is what he wants.
It is a select few older members who are stagnant. This is why Denton and Reddish don't have one Councillor. THIS CANNOT GO ON.
If attitudes don't change then we won't get any new young members, any who join will be scared off by the bitterness and negativity.
Lets end this NOW for the sake of the party and its success.
Our great party cannot win with John Bell in charge of things. Oue true values have been lost with this new destructive element now in place, not just in Denton NE but through out the Tameside membership.
The splits in the Conservative Party at all levels are being caused by Tony Blair Two, i.e. David Cameron who, like Blair couldn't care less about what 'his' Party of convenience is supposed to stand for it's just a springboard for his ambition to be Prime Minister. The reason people are leaving to join 'right wing' Parties like the BNP is because their policies are extremely similar to the last true Conservative Party under Margaret Thatcher which was sunk by sleaze not the public's disagreement with its policies.
Tameside Tories. What a bloody shambles. No wonder they've performed so appallingly at the Council elections over the last few years. While Tories nationwide have been sweeping to power at local level against the worst ruling regime in British history the Tameside group has virtually stagnated.
Yeah whatever MRM. There's more than one John in Tameside Tories kicking off over this and you know it.
The bullying of Joan, Alurie and Georgina HAS TO STOP. I have never been so disgusted as the antics over recent months. 'Doreen for leader' may have been gagged but I am not going to stop this until Georgina is confirmed as our candidate.
And I know you know who I am. You don't intimidate me Liam. I will spill the beans if I have to on this. And though is an earlier post I was called Joan's puppet that's not true.
I am a hard working Conservative member. I want to see the newcomers who have ripped our group in two removed. The bimbo and her bitter mother need to leave as do one or two others. Members at the club are outraged and are not going to put up with candidate imposition. Things will be much better without them, like they improved when you went a dfifferent way.
GREENWOOD FOR DENTON. It's going to happen. We have a nomination form ready.
I've signed her nomination, Mellor Road Mincer. We are not going to be pushed around by the Tameside Party, CF or the regional office in Salford. If they close our association down like they have threatened well that will be the end out the Conservatives in Denton and Reddish.
Please keep your own counsel. The commentators on here are just feeding our opposition, not much of a surprise from the Mincer - who is just desperate to let his BNP pals think he is in the conservative loop - but others know better than this public rant.
Please stop it says Conservative Values. Easy for you to say. Have you received threatening phone calls, have you been told you'll be expelled from the party you love, have you seen good friends brought to tears by the bullying behaviour of a spoilt schoolgirl and her family just because she didn't get her way, have you been told that your association will be closed down??? NO.
No-one on here save a few individuals and the perpetrators know the full extent of what's been going on. There is a lot of hurt. There is NO justice and out party is being taken over by people who just do not know what they are doing.
This used to be a happy Conservative association, a real family, a team. We want that back for the 2010 elections where we CAN win seats in Denton and Reddish especially Denton West and Audenshaw if they are held on the same day as the re-election of a Conservative government.
BUT the way things are going, there will be no party. What's been going on over the past few months has been bad enough for us. What has happened since the by-election is appalling.
People WILL find out and unless something stops us, Georgina Greenwood WILL be a candidate in the election.
Well said Manchester Road Mincemeat. If only people knew what we'd been through. That brainless bimbo and her bullying spiteful cronies have a lot to answer for. Maybe we will have that last laugh though. People WILL soon know fully what has been going on in Denton Conservatives. I can promise you that!
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 257 of 257Precisely the problem isn't it... you were in Waterloo. Isn't there an election to be won in Denton? And you wonder why we did what we did.
I find it offensive that you say I am not a Conservative. I think you know who I am Liam. I have been active in the party for a considerable number of years and I am not prepared for CF or anyone elese for that matter to try and usurp the wishes of ordinary rank and file members in Denton and Reddish.
You might think we are irrelevant but we were campaigning for the party when it was unpopular to be Conservative.
Nor do we have to take the sort of abuse and vitriol that we have received in recent months. it is in the interest of the party that we all pull together and elect our first Conservative councillor in Denton North East since before YOU were born.
Knocking on doors in Waterloo quite frankly does not help that cause one bit.
Nor does that madam badmouthing an extremely hard working, dedicated and committed friend of mine who will make a first rate councillor for her home area if given the chance to do so.
Let's get behind the party and stop this nonsense now.
As for Doreen, I never said she wanted to be leader. She hasn't been all that well recently, but boy would she make a formidable opposition to those Labourite cretins in the council, unlike jelly belly.
Oh and Doreen could be Chair of the PTA? Really?? Not given that she is rightly dead against the pact with the Lib Dems and isn't afraid to say so!
Clearly you haven't heard her rant about the stitch up last year between Matthew Colledge and the Liberals which she most certainly did not approve of.
The Tories have joined the traitors gate coalition. Labour Tory, they are all the same bunch of C**** Britain needs real change before we are left with sod all, with all the floods of immigrants taking over!
You are just a fucktard who clearly knows nothing about campaigning. Howarth is a failure, got to within 13 votes and didnt even ask for a recount. Now just shut up, dont preach to me!
Let's set it straight. We want Georgina Greenwood. No amount of bullying will prevent that from happening.
Some members have behaved disgracefully towards Georgina, Joan, Alurie and others. It has to stop for the sake of the party.
We will find out on Friday the candidate, so the war can only go on untill then.
So next question please.
Leave your abuse at home Liam. You know full well it was the kind of behaviour that we've had to endure for the past few months.
Joan did ask for a recount. She lost by 12 on the initial count and by 13 on the second. I know. I was there at the Festival Hall. Denton West wasn't even on our radar in 2008. All our effort was in Audenshaw where we lost by 300 with no Liberal. That was the real scandal of the night, given all the resources thrown at that campaign. Maybe if Joan had not been left on her own in Denton West, that ward would be blue now.
Instead, those who let Joan down then, now bitch about her.
Likewise Georgina. Do people like you Liam not see she has a following in Denton both inside and outside the party? We don't want to blow our solid progression in the ward by picking a nonentity who is unknown and who will split our local party.
People forget, we will be the ones expected to pick up all the pieces when it all goes pear shaped. We are the ones who will have to stand again next May.
Don't call me a fucktard. It is completely unbecoming of you. You are not worthy to clean shoes with your tongue if you publicly use that tone with me. But at least people can see the abuse we have had from CF and others.
The above comment made by Mellor Road Mincer at 29/06/09 12:09 was not me.
This is now my official profile.
Is that supposed to be an apology MRM?
Trouble is with your lot, you don't know what acceptable behaviour is. That's the root cause of the problem in Denton Conservative Association.
Take my advice, stalwarts like Joan and Georgina deserve RESPECT!
I agree, that we need a complete change in the way we allow destructive people into our local Denton Conservative group.
Enough is Enough. John get a grip of this situation.
best anyones gonna get
All I know is that we are being told Georgina cannot be our candidate. Well bullies need to be confronted. We WILL have Georgina Greenwood and those plans are well in advance now.
I have also today received a phone call asking if I was involved in the posts on this site and to stop forthwith if so. There is democracy for you.
Liam, Like Stacey, hold few Conservative values. In some ways they have a definite Labourite mindset. I can remember the days when all male Conservative members were gentlemen and al female members were Ladies. I suppose the riff-raff element we have attracted over recent years is just a symptom of the decline of national standards of decency as a whole. Imagine Liam and Stacey trying to pretend to be Conservatives in the days of Stanley Baldwin.
At the end of the day we are all Conservatives and while we argue Labour are out canvassing. This is no spin to bring this spat to an end it is absolute fact. If we want to win we must all unite behind our candidate and do our party and the people of Denton NE proud.
OK, I am beginning to lose my patience with this. You attack the current leadership "Doreen for Leader" for not having any balls, yet you are happy to hide behind a pseudonym. Grow a pair of balls yourself and show us who you really are.
You say you want a party united and call an end to the comments. I agree, but it is you who started it in the first place.
I am just struggling to see who the mystery man is behind "Doreen for Leader" and that is why I can't see it being a member of the Conservative party.
I think you know who I am Liam and YES I am a Denton Conservative member. Given the bullying going on at present, of course I am not going to publicly out myself. Let's just see what happens by Friday first.
Can't wait
Don't Need This Pressure On
Doreen for leader....
What is the "real reason" for Stacy not being able to stand in Denton? What is she being discreet about?
Waht's going on?
Pack it in Tony. You're a puppet and Joan's pulling the strings. That's why you will LOSE Denton North East.
Stacy is a party girl nothing wrong with that. She's young blood, the old Tory guard need to get back the old Conservative values nothing wrong with that either. They need to, so they can win back the lost Tories that strongly still believe in family values and so on. The old guard believe that the young blood are destructive so out they must go.
Moderation must be due, this Denton stuff is crap unless you are a Labour supporter then you will be over the moon at the split.
I find it difficult to understand why the so called stalwarts (older members) of the conservative party live in the past as though they were once elected councillors. None of these members were ever elected no matter how close they may say they came they did not win and that is what matters. Why, therefore, are they living in the past as the past they seem to be referring to was not a successful time for the likes of Joan or the others. Joan was never seen in the Denton West area when she was campaigning and this is a predominantly Conservative area and has been for more than fifty years. As far as Doreen for leader states that the younger members are not ladies nor gentlemen is pure ageism and Jealousy. The only members of the Conservatives that have knocked on my door or made themselves known to the constituents in the Tameside area have been the younger members who have behaved with impeccable manners. It doesnt matter how long the older members have been part of the Conservative party if they are not winning. Why all the historics? Surely a winning party needs to move with the times and make room for the younger members who are more in touch with todays society. Why are the older members so fearful of the young people joining the party? If the party does not make the younger members welcome,which they clearly are not, the party will become like the dinorsaurs, extinct!
What is a self-confessed Nancy Boy doing in a Party that purports to uphold family (definition: 1 man, one woman plus children) values? No wonder the 'old' guard don't want you. Join the LibDems they'll have anyone.
ANONYMOUS you are wrong. Alurie O'Sullivan was a councillor in Audenshaw, Georgina Greenwood was a councillor in Salford.
It is the bullying we object to. Let us choose our own candidate. And when we do, don't go scurrying off blubbering to people outside. That's our point!
Hey TK - shut up!!!
Salford, Tameside? I don't think so.
Alurie did such a sterling job that she lost Audenshaw to the Liberals.
Are we talking Historics again?
Thatcher was Prime Minister too.
We Tories want our party back from these destructive party people.
The Tory party has lost thousands of good members to the BNP of all parties. Just like the National Front took thousands of our members till Maggie got them all back. But NOW it's different with the BNP we don't have a leader like Maggie to get them back
Who's TK?
Ha! ha! If I understand that last posting I think I now know who "Toryboy" is.
"doreen for leader" whoever you are, was "Let's just see what happens by Friday first" meant to be a threat?
BRING IT ON! You haven't the guts.
Actually Anon, John Major was the PM when Alurie represented Audenshaw. She wasn't the only one to loose her seat, so did John Bell I seem to remember.
Anyway weve had one more Tory PM since Major. Happy days.
Redneck, you have no idea!
If older Tory members would embrace young talent (who by the way, are the one who do the footwork) then we would have a more successful united party. This bickering has to stop now before any more damage is done. The CF will be around for many more years to come and they will be the ones to continue the hard work. It's time to pass on the baton. Change is important and those who cannot adapt to change will be left behind, or even worse, be the ones who stop Tameside Tories from progressing and winning more seats. More to the point, our leader talks about change all the time and this is what he wants.
It is a select few older members who are stagnant. This is why Denton and Reddish don't have one Councillor. THIS CANNOT GO ON.
If attitudes don't change then we won't get any new young members, any who join will be scared off by the bitterness and negativity.
Lets end this NOW for the sake of the party and its success.
CF Member.
Our great party cannot win with John Bell in charge of things. Oue true values have been lost with this new destructive element now in place, not just in Denton NE but through out the Tameside membership.
The splits in the Conservative Party at all levels are being caused by Tony Blair Two, i.e. David Cameron who, like Blair couldn't care less about what 'his' Party of convenience is supposed to stand for it's just a springboard for his ambition to be Prime Minister. The reason people are leaving to join 'right wing' Parties like the BNP is because their policies are extremely similar to the last true Conservative Party under Margaret Thatcher which was sunk by sleaze not the public's disagreement with its policies.
Who's we ? you are not allowed near the Conservatives you are banned signed high and kicked out.
Kath Pid will eat you alive in Waterloo.
Stacy isn't up against Kath and she hasn't been kicked out of the party. Get your facts right.
there are some clever folk in the tory party! do you mean sine die and not signed high!
lmao
I won't be making any more statements on here given the very threatening phone call I have had warning me not to do any more posts.
Happy now John?
Tameside Tories. What a bloody shambles. No wonder they've performed so appallingly at the Council elections over the last few years. While Tories nationwide have been sweeping to power at local level against the worst ruling regime in British history the Tameside group has virtually stagnated.
Happy now John? You mean Bell right? He is on holiday you muppet and he wont disturb his holiday for crap like this either.
Doreen for leader and the other comments are just hoaxes. You can all move along now...
Yeah whatever MRM. There's more than one John in Tameside Tories kicking off over this and you know it.
The bullying of Joan, Alurie and Georgina HAS TO STOP. I have never been so disgusted as the antics over recent months. 'Doreen for leader' may have been gagged but I am not going to stop this until Georgina is confirmed as our candidate.
And I know you know who I am. You don't intimidate me Liam. I will spill the beans if I have to on this. And though is an earlier post I was called Joan's puppet that's not true.
I am a hard working Conservative member. I want to see the newcomers who have ripped our group in two removed. The bimbo and her bitter mother need to leave as do one or two others. Members at the club are outraged and are not going to put up with candidate imposition. Things will be much better without them, like they improved when you went a dfifferent way.
GREENWOOD FOR DENTON. It's going to happen. We have a nomination form ready.
But the candidate isn't Georgina Greenwood either.
That's what YOU think! We have until noon Friday to submit her forms.
From what I am told the Denton NE candidate is going to be a big hitter. But he isn't the boxer. I say he isn't the boxer.
Is that an echo? Is that the sound of the same joke being used twice? Nope just a pair of senile old fucks who think they can keep a secret.
I've signed her nomination, Mellor Road Mincer. We are not going to be pushed around by the Tameside Party, CF or the regional office in Salford. If they close our association down like they have threatened well that will be the end out the Conservatives in Denton and Reddish.
Right enough of this.
Please keep your own counsel. The commentators on here are just feeding our opposition, not much of a surprise from the Mincer - who is just desperate to let his BNP pals think he is in the conservative loop - but others know better than this public rant.
Please stop it.
Please stop it says Conservative Values. Easy for you to say. Have you received threatening phone calls, have you been told you'll be expelled from the party you love, have you seen good friends brought to tears by the bullying behaviour of a spoilt schoolgirl and her family just because she didn't get her way, have you been told that your association will be closed down??? NO.
No-one on here save a few individuals and the perpetrators know the full extent of what's been going on. There is a lot of hurt. There is NO justice and out party is being taken over by people who just do not know what they are doing.
This used to be a happy Conservative association, a real family, a team. We want that back for the 2010 elections where we CAN win seats in Denton and Reddish especially Denton West and Audenshaw if they are held on the same day as the re-election of a Conservative government.
BUT the way things are going, there will be no party. What's been going on over the past few months has been bad enough for us. What has happened since the by-election is appalling.
People WILL find out and unless something stops us, Georgina Greenwood WILL be a candidate in the election.
What is it with the Tories picking a bunch of pubescents to stand in elections. Are the selection committee a bunch of paedos?
Well said Manchester Road Mincemeat. If only people knew what we'd been through. That brainless bimbo and her bullying spiteful cronies have a lot to answer for. Maybe we will have that last laugh though. People WILL soon know fully what has been going on in Denton Conservatives. I can promise you that!
I think Manc Rd is doreen. SHUT UP FOR FUCKS SAKE!
Classey - what is SHUT THE FUCK UP all about Crown Point? I think you need to take a chill pill.
Just when will the Tories ever learn, people dont vote for devided partys!
Georgina Greenwood to stand as an independent Conservative - putting Denton First candidate.
Now I've had a phone call... they are paranoid up there about what our plans are. They'll find out soon enough. Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!!!
Inside Labour sources confirm all the above is a Labour hoax. "We did it to the BNP in the Newton by-election," claims Labour mole SPP.
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