Sunday, 16 September 2012

The end of the line for the Tameside Reporter and Glossop Chronicle?


If you have not yet bought a copy of the latest edition of the Tameside Reporter, now might be a good time to do so, as sadly, the current edition may very well be the last, and as a result, the current edition may very well one day become a collectors item.

If you click the image above you will read a brief statement from the editor of the paper explaining the current situation. It is possible that New Charter may come to the rescue and buy the title, but as an independent local newspaper it looks like end is nigh.

151 comments:

Anonymous said...

Unfortunate. Now we'll only have the leftist MEN/Guardian to provide us with the local news in the form of the Labourtiser. The Reporter wasn't exactly unbiased but it was always the better option. The weekly local history section was particularly interesting - even though a certain Dukinfield councillor would use it to periodically take us on his own trip down memory Lane. For a paper that has endured for so long to fold, it could be indicative of generational changes. I don't think younger people really take much interest in local affairs (and who can blame then given the state of the area and country at large).

Bought...and paid for said...

The army of moronic, semi-literate, shuffling untermensch that now infest Tameside certainly won't notice its demise.
Or its possible rebirth as the undoubted, utterly impartial people's guardian of New Charter and their 'chums' in the Tameside Labour mafia.

The evil is spreading said...

£7 Million in profit last year, 80% of their tenants on housing benefits, they sponsor the police, Ian Munro on £200,000 a year.
Tameside Radio, the borough's community broadcaster, today announced a partnership with New Charter Housing Trust.

New charter making profits out of dolers said...

Sorry to much "Heineken" 90% of all new charter tenants get housing benefits.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

so nick takes over the EDL i see ? well done the MAN ? HIP HIP ?

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

im mad as fu-k at the min ? THATS a engish qween in wating you french fu-kers are daring to flash all over one of your rags ? and whats up with the engishman for letin in happen ? and if theres ever a case for fu-kin the EU off this is it how dare they sit there and let this happen ? YOU FRENCH SH-T HEADS

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

The duchess is the future queen off England not Jodie Marsh or Katie Price whats up with yous lot. somone needs hangin for this ? STOP BUYIN THERE SISTER RAG

The Super Rich and the Serfs. Another legacy of New Labour said...

Greater Manchester has more multi-millionaires than anywhere in Britain outside London, according to new research.

There are 374 super-rich individuals living in the region, according to financial experts.

The city of Manchester makes up most of the tally, with 170 ultra-wealthy people.

A multi-millionaire is defined as anyone with more than US$30m – around £19m – in net assets.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

multi bleeding millionaires ? ? ? This is are future qween im on about ? wheres the EDL ? wheres the BNP ? come on lads it dont get on more serious than this ? WAKE UP PEOPLE ? If she was a saundy princess wolud they print such pictures ? west wake up you go on about are poppys well this is are future qween

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

sorry ? queen

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

Before we can sort them out we need to sort our own out ? i find myself surrounded by scum in my own country at the min ? All true englishmen should be roaring at this ? The breasts of are future queen put on display in some french rag and thats ok is it ?

Edwardus Primus 10-0 Liz II said...

I like Kate Middleton, she carries herself well and acts and dresses in a, shock horror, FEMININE way, i.e. no tattoos, no wearing trousers all the time and generally she doesn't try to act like a man. But the fuss about her picturesis a storm in a teacup (or should that be C-cup).
The monarchy needs scrapping, the present incumbent has behaved consistently for 60 years. She has consistently gone with the flow whther on falling standards, immigration or national decline in general, inspirational she isn't. The Windsor family's overwhelming priority is the Windsor dynasty and Britain has suffered unprecedented decline during her reign with virtually no comment from her. If she's got influence 'behind the scenes' it's either useless or negative.

Pouring with reign said...

She's done her job and not made many gaffes but she and the rst of them have just took the easy course.
The monarchy is supposed to defend our nation in whatever way is at their disposal and in this she's failed abysmally as Britain has been deluged by planned mass, uncontrolled immigration.
If there IS nothing she could have done there's no point in her being there.

Pigeons coming home to roost said...

In October 2013 the Universal Credit comes in. Benefits will then be paid to claimants and NOT directly to the landlord as is currently the case.
New Charter will then have to collect the rent from the hordes of deadbeats they have filled their properties with. Maybe this will encourage them to set aside properties for DECENT RESPONSIBLE WORKING people instead.

Hand him over to the Muslims for justice said...

Labour Deputy Lord Mayor and Councillor for Peterborough John Johnson has appeared at Peterborough Magistrates Court charged with making 714 indecent images of children. Johnson, who is 62, had allegedly, the most perverse collection of images of children on his computer. Prosecutor Giles Beaumont said: “This charge relates to some extreme level pornography. Some images involve adult males with various animals.” Johnson was released on unconditional bail to return to Peterborough Magistrates’ Court on November 6.

Labour suspected paedo granted unconditional bail said...

How can someone on such a serious charge be granted unconditional bail? Compare this to the way West was treated for nothing more than an accusation of name calling!

Innocence of Muslims - Muhammad Movie - FULL HD said...

I have finally got round to watching this movie which the Muslims are killing and rioting over. It is only 13 minutes long and quite funny in parts. It is mischief making on a grande scale and I smell Zionist paws all over it. No doubt this is part of the problem, reaction, solution policy to ratchet up hostility against Muslims in the build up to the war on Iran.

Tameside spelt: S H I T H O L E said...

Was it kraut he called him? Is that an illegal word. Is Hun, squarehead, sausagebreath or Little Hitler also considered 'Hatespeak'?
What a country we're now living in when namecalling becomes a major police matter. Pathetic and the officers concerned must know it, but now of course they just 'obey orders' no matter how politically motivated such orders might be as comon sense and proportionality has gone out of the window.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

its not just about the pics is it ? its about them frence fu-cker thinkin they can take the piss out of us ? The English

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

Have you lot no pride in your nationality and you get walked on by foreigners who dare to take the piss out of the very people that saved all their backsides,not so long ago? or it you are all a load off mixed breeds like Roy with he,s touch of greek? I,m true Englishman and if they dishonner are royal family they dishonner me.

Do you think she cares about you? said...

For a 'true Englishman', you are doing a great impression of one if those angry Muslim types Aluman.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

Angry muslim types have nought on us angry English types soft lad

Nowadays shit runs UP-hill said...

The Windsor dynasty's priorities are: 1st) The Windsor dynasty. 2nd) The Windsor dynasty. 3rd) The Windsor dynasty. Everything else comes a distant last.
If they REALLY gave a shit about Britain they would have done or said something against its ongoing destruction of the last 60 years. Like the rest of the modern establishment they would rather preside over the ruins than give up their position and status.

Religion of Peace and Tolerance said...

Muslims are peace loving people, say anything different and you are a racist hater. Ask any Labour politician and they will agree.

Anonymous said...

West being in the local papers, the Evening news, Advertiser, people are going to comment on the cases.

Plan to flood the Falklands with immigrants said...

Using the 'shortage of labour' line as the excuse.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

whats britain ? Ho you meen that slang word for the UK that came about in 1705 with the treaty between england and scotland called the union ? now wake up theres no country called BRITAIN

Black horizon said...

The Falklands are hideously white, patriotic and traditional and desperately need a mass influx of Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslims, Sub-Saharan Africans etc.

Illegal Immigrant Bounty Hunters Wanted said...

The perfect job for Aluman?

Australian Labour Party to flood the country with Third World immigrants said...

God, I hope these traitors, just like their fellow traitors here, get the traitors justice they deserve.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

WELL it just gos to show how thick the advanage Englishman is ? reasons like this to kickoff with are government and tell them to get us the f-ck out of Europe dont come along every day and we just let are best excuse pass us by ? If you think that its not right to be mad with Europe for disgracing our future queen there,s no hope for us. Whats worse is if you can,t see that Englands problem,s ain,t goner be sorted polictically your living in a dream world, all nationalist should be making a massive deal out of this, cause its about time, we seen some changes ? WE,ER RUN OUT OF TIME

Removal Man said...

Two policewomen are killed by an animal who should never have been born. The response? Lots of self-indulgent 'look at me and my empathy' public bleating from politicians and people who never even knew them.
All the flower buyers and other emotional bandwagon jumpers would be better trying to do something that would help stop repeats of such events, such as writing to the Home Secretary to DEMAND the return of the death penalty (as I have) for beasts like this.

Tameside Citizen said...

I knew the tragic events in Hattersley would draw out the 'Hang 'em and flog 'em brigade. No right thinking person could support the reintroduction of the death penalty when the shamefully high number of miscarriages of justice in this country are taken into consideration.

Try this little experiment and you will see what I mean. Log onto a search engine such as Google or Bing and type in ‘wrongfully convicted UK’ or similar. You will be horrified to see the vast number of innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted of serious crimes.

To the ‘hang `em high’ type of angry Daily Mail reader, the odd innocent person being executed would be a price worth paying, and cases such as the Hattersley tragedy is manna from heaven to them as far as their argument is concerned. They would argue that ‘the accused’ is guilty beyond doubt and that he should be executed, and if the truth be known many supporters of the death penalty would be happy to dispense with frustrating red tape such as Due Process or even a trial and some undoubtedly would welcome summary execution, especially if the accused ‘looked’ guilty.

That argument aside, there is another reason why the introduction of capital punishment should be opposed. Imagine David Blunkett, Harriet Harman, Peter Mandelson, or any of the other spawn of Satan Labour ideologues given the power of life or death following the introduction of martial law in the aftermath of a popular uprising following their re-election at some time in the future? The prospect is frightening beyond imagination!


Anonymous said...

Once again the anti-rope brigade bleat endlessly about those poor innocent dead through wrongful conviction, whilst conveniently keeping their mouths shut about the far greater number of innocents dead with the staggering rise in homocides following abolition. The abolitionists like one-sided arguments. I recall some of the anti-rope dramas and films which devote most of the story to the heart rending plight of the executed with little or no time devoted to the murder victim's ordeal.

Labour FILTH in power said...

The only hanging that should be brought back is for these Labour scumbags.

The SCUM that rule our lives said...

Labour MP Eric Joyce was today spared jail after pleading guilty to four counts of assault following his brawl in a House of Commons bar last month but refused to step down from Parliament.

However the shamed MP has been fined £3,000 and ordered to pay £1,400 to victims at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

Glass Bomb Attack in Burnley said...

Shocking, please watch.

Anonymous said...

And not a copper in sight.

First they come for the internet racists, next they come for those with who’s comments with which they disagree, now there is no one with an opinion left except me…. said...

Breaking news on all TV channels, someone has been arrested for allegedly calling the main suspect in Tuesdays shocking attack a hero. However vile an obviously false statement like that may be, does it warrant an arrest? Surely the moron who posted such nonsense is only expressing his opinion. Did we not fight a world war so we could ensure freedom of speech for all or is real freedom of speech just an illusion?

Anonymous said...

1984...George Orwell.

Anonymous said...

Worrying times of force in which we now live.
During the 70's and 80's the police were corrupt from top to bottom.
In those days you knew where yo stood with the police. Bad bastards some of them but they did not go around arresting people for stuff like this. OK they framed people and got some people 25 30 years in jail for unsolved crimes. They pinned a lot of unsolved crimes of the vulnerable in our society. But this is a political police forced not interested in getting rapists in jail now thought crimes and they're all over you.

Reimer said...

The Facebook page guy is clearly a pillock but that is not an actual crime in my book. GMP will doubtless be looking to see what leverage the spin on this double-murder can give them.

Anonymous said...

The police don't seem to understand that a great number of people hate them. They've lost a great deal of the respect they once had in the Community. Their time is mostly taken up with thought crimes and the political agenda from the very top of the force.

It's crimes like this that the police are more concerned about said...

It isn't a crime to call the Irish leprechauns: Court clears teenager of racially harassing neighbour

Madhouse Britain said...

Although the one calling her neighbour a leprechauns is black.
If it had been the other way round would they still say it was not racist?

Reimer said...

"The police don't seem to understand that a great number of people hate them"

Quite. Me too, but gloating noisily like that birk in Liverpool is uncivilised.

Anonymous said...

A major incident in Dukinfield tonight The police cordoned the area off in Glenmore Grove. West farted in the general direction of his neighbours. A police spokesman said that this is a serious matter and investigations are continuing at this tinme.
Police also say that sarcasms needs a firm response.

Reimer said...

Now if it had been Peter Fahy and the head of Operation Get-Westy who'd been whacked in Hattersley...

Life For Life said...

TC: Tell us what the appropriate punishment is for someone who lays a trap for two police officers (and I'm no fan of the modern political gestapo type police) and guns them down in cold blood.
But then your main concern isn't the appropriate punishment of evildoers, it's how an unpleasant but absolutely fitting punishment such as hanging makes you feel about yourself.
These two women's lives and deaths are devalued if the punishment does not fit the crime.

Torment of the damned said...

A machine designed to inflict excruciating agony over a prolonged period would be the best deterrent.
The convicted murderer/paedophile etc would be placed inside the machine and suffer extreme torture for a set amount of time until they are killed. It could also be used on multiple repeat offenders for lesser crimes: Three convictions for burglary; Two for armed robbery etc.
I guarantee the massive deterrent effect would decimate crime figures to near zero.
The main advantage would be that the total mechanisation of the punishment, with no human involvement or witnesses to the suffering would forestall the arguments of bleeding hearts and other assistants of Satan.

Tameside Citizen said...

There can be no exceptions. How ever heinous the crime, there is either a death penalty or there is no death penalty. The person responsible for killing the two officers should be jailed for life.

Many years ago, I voiced an opinion on a person who was convicted of killing PC Keith Blakelock in the Broadwater Farm Riots in London. The person convicted was a gentleman who went by the name Winston Silcott. I was as disgusted as everyone else at the hacking to death of PC Blakelock, I had been following the hysterical media reporting of the case, then I saw a picture of the prime suspect Winston Silcott. Never mind the evidence, the picture along with the media reporting convinced me that Silcott was guilty and I publicly stated that he should executed. Silcott was eventually freed and awarded compensation as he had been wrongfully convicted following a police fit-up involving fabrication of evidence.

I know using Silcott as an example will give you ammunition to fire back because as we know, he was also convicted of another murder during the 1980’s. But the point I am trying to make is; the justice system in this country is broken. Regular readers of this blog will need to look no further than the politically motivated persecution of Roy West to see how damaged our ‘justice’ system actually is, so bearing that in mind, how any right minded person can wish for the reintroduction of the death penalty is beyond me.

To put it in plain English, due to our broken system of justice, it is better that convicted killers are jailed rather than executed, because as we know all convicted killers are not always guilty, and this means that when fit-ups and injustices are uncovered, the victims can be released. This means compensation rather than a hushed up posthumous pardon. Ask the ghost of legally murdered innocent Timothy Evans or any of the other countless victims who paid the ultimate penalty which option they would have preferred.

Anonymous said...

BREAKING NEWS
Cllr David Sweeton resigns from the Cabinet at TMBC
Never happened under Roy, watch this space, they will start to implode

Life For Life said...

Evans and Silcott: one who may have been guilty but convicted of the wrong murder; plus one murdere and hardened criminal are the 'strengths' of your argument.
DNA would have cleared Evans (if innocent of both murders) and Silcott had it been available and of course guarantees beyond any reasonable doubt(i.e. not self-indulgent squeamishness disguised as fear of miscarriage of justice) the guilt of the vast majority of modern killers.
Life imprisonment ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH as it in no way reflects the gravity of the crime, and of course the vast majority of 'lifers' are released after about 11 years. If you think a dozen years in a 1st class cell watching free Sky TV and playing computer games is a suitable punishment for taking someone's life you are wilfully deluded.

0% Reoffending rate said...

The Texas Execution Information Center: One of the best sites on the web.
Read about what the beasts did and how they GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED.

tonydj said...

STEFAN KISZKO.

End of....

Old Guard said...

Why has Sweeton resigned?

Pink News UK said...

It’s been revealed that one of the two female police officers murdered in Greater Manchester earlier this week had been planning a future with the woman she loved and the child she was helping to bring up as her own.

Friends described the relationship of Fiona Bone and her partner, Clare Curran, 39, an IT worker and the mother of six-year-old Jessie, as “affectionate and very united”.

PC Bone and her colleague PC Nicola Hughes were killed in a gun and grenade attack in Mottram, Tameside, on Tuesday morning.

Anonymous said...

@tonydj

Why do you have a peculiar obsession with stefan kiszco? It isn't the first time you've been wailing about his particular case on this forum, and like it or not there is far more to this issue than parroting "stefan kiszco end of". You look like a weak chinned milksop, and it's about time you applied some of that hard headed attitude that goes with BNP membership to other issues.

You conveniently ignore the fact that the murder was committed following an unprecedented rise (more than doubled in a decade) in the homicide rate thanks to abolitionists of similar mind to you. There's every reason to suppose the crime would never have been committed in the first place if the likes of Castree had the prospect of a noose in mind.

Do you salute our soldiers on remeberance sunday? Because if you do, you might be interested to learn that killing innocent people is also an unfortunate by-product of warfare between nations. So unless you're some absolute pacifist who rejects any and all forms of violent intervention, you're being a bit hypocritical with your standards. Rather like the many Labour MPs who in one breath will point out the awful prospect of hanging innocent people, and in the next breath are justifying dropping bombs on civilian cities.

Quite simply, when your kind make sure that wrongful hangful is only ever discussed alongside the shocking and rise in murders following abolition, then I'll take you people seriously.

Anonymous said...

You can talk and talk till the cows come home about hanging, it's never going to be brought back in this country.

To grow a thicker skin John Taylor who said that? said...

"A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult"

Anti Bloodlust League said...

It is better that 1000 guilty killers live than one innocent person dies at the hands of an executioner.

Any news on Cllr Sweeton?

All these people would have been wrongly executed had the penalty not been abolished said...

1989: The Guildford Four are released by the Court of Appeal. The detectives at the centre of the case are later cleared of fabricating evidence.

1991: The Birmingham Six are freed. Prosecutions against officers accused of tampering with evidence are halted because of "adverse publicity".

1997: The Bridgwater Four - minus Patrick Molloy, who died in jail - are released after 17 years in prison.

2000: The M25 Three are freed by three Court of Appeal judges who say there had been a "conspiracy" to give perjured evidence.

Forget the bull about DNA will prevent further wrongful convictions. Look at the two innocent lads from Eltham who were recently fitted up and who are currently serving life for the killing of St Stephen. It is certain they will be released when the flawed evidence from the privatised forensic lab is exposed, but that would be of new use to them if they were dead, as would be the case id the death penalty still existed.

ship without a rudder said...

UKIP leader Farage live on BBC News channel now. He's addressing the UKIP conference. It looks very proffesional and he talks some sense, but he's not the answer. He is arguing in favour of global free trade. Free trade has destroyed our industry as we play by the rules and the developing world does not. It is sad to see that UKIP really are nothing other than Euro sceptic Tories.

Anonymous said...

"It is better that 1000 guilty killers live than one innocent person dies at the hands of an executioner"

More one sided propaganda, don't swallow it.

A murderer IS an executioner, and a murderer's victim IS innocent. So all those hundreds of people slain following the steep rise in murders after abolition is innocent blood on the hands and conscience of the anti-rope brotherhood. And that's saying nothing of the innocents slain by murderers released to kill again.

Also - given the weak sentences handed down to murderers (life rarely ever means life), that in itself is another argument pro hanging. It isn't good enough to simply say life should mean life. The judges and politicians have all proven that where keeping that evil scum behind bars for good is concerned they cannot ever trusted again. Case closed.

Lionel Haward Hocus Pocus said...

Anon@12.27, would you be happy for innocent people to be executed as long as guilty were as executed as well?

Hang 'em high said...

Stefan Kiszko + DNA = Release. Unfortunately they didn't have that technology then...they do now.


Nuff said.

If you've got nothing to hide, remember Stefan said...

DNA or no DNA Stefan would still have been convicted, just like the Eltham Two. The Police knew Stefan Kiszko was impotent, therefore it would have been impossible for him to commit the crime or be convicted on the evidence presented, but due to police corruption the evidence which would have cleared him was withheld. DNA is not a magic formula and if corrupt persons, police or other plant DNA evidence at the scene of a crime, that's you convicted. And don't dare say there is no corruption anymore.

Anonymous said...

Came across this blog last night read through alot of the stuff on here. Why why are you taking the side of that barmpot Roy West.
West's nieghbours have contributed alot to the countryside. What's he ever done for the countryside.

Life For Life said...

Re Stephen Lawrence: You won't make any plain statements against the lab that found the new sample because you know your allegations are nonsense. And of course if a genuine mistake HAS been made they will be cleared by SCIENCE. The same procedures would be followed if the death penalty existed so they would never be hanged without watertight scientific confirmation.

Will one of the bleeding hearts come on here and state unequivocally that life imprisonment would be an appropriate punishment for Thomas Hamilton who coldbloodedly murdered 16 five and six year olds and their teacher in Dunblane.
Thought not. Now grow up and stop wallowing in your own 'consciences'.

A Life For A Life 1 1998 The True Story Of Stefan Kiszko said...

If anyone needs executing it should be the corrupt police who fitted up Stefan. Watch this film for an insight as to how they operated.

Talk Talk said...

Can someone supply evidence of the authorities planting DNA.

The Eltham Two Were Framed said...

Come on LIfe for Life, you've been asked a question. Don't dodge the issue: Would you be happy for innocent people to be executed as long as the guilty were as executed as well?

there are none so blind as those who refuse to see said...

Talk Talk, see the evidence before your eyes man, the police have been fabricating evidence for years.

Anonymous said...

Thomas Hamilton desrved to be jailed for life without the possibility of parole. What about the killers of 500,000 Iraqi children by the West's warmomgers in chief, B&B, should they be jailed for life too?

Troy Davis execution, one year on: 'We want to stop killing of innocent men' said...

In the Guardian today.

Life For Life said...

Re Troy Davis, I'll save my sympathy for his police officer victim whose name you didn't see fit to mention, probably because you don't know it. Mark MacPhail.

As for saying life imprisonment is an appropriate punishment for what Hamilton did, that is puerile self-indulgent drivel and you should be ashamed to say it. He took away well over 1400 years of life and you're saying HIS shouldn't be forfeit, don't be so fucking coawrdly and pathetic.

Dark Green said...

The correct punishment for Hamilton, all murderers and multiple repeat serious offenders is death.
The remote possibility of a miscarriage of justice is put forward as a dishonest excuse by the self obsessed and the squeamish to mask their chronic oversensitivity and paranoia about the State, bent coppers etc. All these things, however extremely rare are of course possible and demonstrate the obvious, that the death penalty isn't perfect, but of course no-one can name anything that is.
Just as no-one can supply a genuinely fitting and appropriate alternative punishment for the worst of the worst like Hamilton, Brady, Sutcliffe etc.
Anti death penalty types however have no interest in the victim or doing what is correct but simply want to press their own agenda however absurd, selfish or destructive.

Long-standing miscarriages of justice in the UK said...

You have just defeated your own argument, you are of course correct in stating that the death penalty isn’t perfect, and that is the reason no right minded person could wish for it back. There are lots of innocent people listed in previous posts who would have been executed had the death penalty not been abolished.

I doubt even the most squeamish liberal would object to certain people being executed, such as for example, The Eltham Two, however and as previously stated, it is better that 1000 killers live the rest of their lives locked up in prison rather than one innocent person gets wrongfully executed.

You still have not answered in a clear and precise fashion so I will repeat the question: Would you be happy for innocent people to be executed as long as the guilty were as executed as well?

Enoch Was Right said...

what a visionary and he was spot on with the facts of what will happen and what has happened,

Anonymous said...

Where's West the Pest gone.?

Halal? Our Way? Or leave us alone? said...

TC Which way of death would these animals choose do you think?

Branston Pickle said...

Roy no longer uses the internet. He wants to make it up with Alan Kibble and request a transfer away from the barking dogs.

Anonymous said...

Have some respect for his partner you scumbag, her mother's just died.

Life For Life said...

Re the death penalty: Unfortunately we don't live in a childish fairyland where everything is perfect, and as grown ups in civilisation we have to take balanced decisions, especially on fundamental issues like punishment.
No right minded or well adjusted individual would shrink from making a decision based on infintesimally small probabilities, in any significant area, simply to pursue irrational and selfish agendas.
It's like saying we should NEVER declare war on anyone because innocent people might get killed, an obviously facile position. No-one would be 'happy' about it but it would not alter one iota the correctness of said declaration.
The whole point of this debate is that 'squeamish liberals' DO object to EVERYONE being executed even the worst of the worst like Thomas Hamilton, yet not one of those same bleeding hearts could look the parents of the five and six year old victims in the eye and say Hamilton didn't deserve to be executed. Which demonstrates the utter vacuousness of their argument.
Then there are the hundreds of innocent people who have been killed by released murderers since abolition in 1965, for some reason the abolitionists couldn't seem to care less about them and would prefer such inconvenient truths swept under the carpet.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

whats all this daft of hanging ? you dont hang them you brand them right across the forehead ? you know rapist,murderer,pedo etc and then we can kick and punch and cut bits off them ? use your heads

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

sorry it should say talk of hanging

God have mercy said...

The millions and millions spent keeping Brady alive in captivity for 47 years is money well spent. That's irony by the way, only a total dickhead could actually believe it.

Anonymous said...

The reality being however that the likes of Brady and his fellow lifemeanslifers are a minority of those convicted for murder. 10-15 years is what plenty do, and then they walk the streets as free men whilst their victim lies in an early cold grave. That's the sort of injustice that is far lower on the list of priorities and concerns of the woolly minded tonyDJs of this world.

choose life and not death said...

The pro death supporters seem to be motivated by revenge and not justice. There are countless examples listed in the links above of scores of innocent people who would have been wrongly executed if humanity and sanity did not prevail which led to the ending of capital punishment. I bet the pro death supporters would secretly love to be executioners. Good idea by Love Thy Neighbour. Far better than executing innocent people.

Life For Life said...

The anti death penalty brigade are incapable of grown up, balanced judgement.
Their juvenile approach is: Do nothing regarding anything, unless it's perfect. Yet none of them can give an example of anything that IS perfect.

Reimer said...

Am generally in favour of Death Penalty: hanging, lethal injection, carried out with due solemnity - NOT gory sadistic procedure for the exultation of the base.

Re miscarriages of justice: make attempting to pervert course of justice in cases where death penalty may follow itself be a capital crime.

Kill Kill Kill said...

What the FUCK is wrong with revenge you self-rigtheous prick?

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

pricks a goog word ?

Petrocelli said...

If the death penalty WAS reintroduced all the i's would be dottd and t's crossed to keep cranks and the squeamish quiet before any sentence was carried out. ANY doubt whatsoever would result in commutation to life imprisonment.

Not random said...

The police who are alleged to have squeezed innocent Stefan Kiszko's murder conviction through, knew there was a previous report of him exposing himself to schoolgirls.
They weren't scientists and presumably thought Kiszko guilty, so allegedly bent/ignored the facts beyond the limit to convict him.

Executioner position vacant. Applicant must be heartless and have a bloodlust said...

Previous report of Stefan exposing himself- by an unnamed individual? Just a lame excuse for the outrageous fitting up of a totally innocent person. Thankfully the death penalty will never be reintroduced and the fitting up of Stefan and countless others just confirms the reason why I so vociferously oppose it. Incidentally, the Gambian authorities are looking to employ a hangman. They currently use firing squads for executions but the ‘justice’ minister wants to bring back hanging to save on ammunition. He says a rope can be used many times but a bullet only once. What a nice way to reduce government spending - not!

Anonymous said...

Hanging's not coming back no government will touch it with an hammer.....The EU won't allow it.

Convicted on hearsay said...

You can never trust the system we have in place today. Traitors are in control the most evil of evil.

Wows said...

The essence of progressive thought today is the ability to believe in the face of contradictory evidence. So evidence that things are not how they wish them to be is "filtered" by reference to this get out loop; "a tiny minority".

One of the mistakes of the radical right is to believe that mere factual argument can make any impact on what is a belief system, particularly one built on believing manifestly "counter factual" and counterintuitive things. The progressive prides himself on being able to reject what is obvious, the more obvious the fact is the more righteous he believes himself to be in rejecting it.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...
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LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

tameside BNP is back are you with us roy ?

The struggle still lives within the heart of the true Britisher. said...

The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart.
Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)

Anonymous said...

“Courage is the discovery that you may not win, and trying when you know you can lose.”

Not random said...

The four teenage girls who had reported Kiszko for exposing himself (Buckley, Burke, Brown and Hind) played a major part in the trial and were singled out for praise by the Judge. All of course later admitted they had made it up. At the time everyone believed them, but that's the value of hindsight.
As forensic science has moved on so much now, and the police are significantly more likely to be investigated and criticised (one was recently sacked for pushing a drunken troublemaker) the Kiszko conviction would be an impossibility.
If you're so concerned about the death of innocents perhaps you'd care to voice your support for the execution of Ronald Castree who DID kill Lesley Molseed. The ironic thing is if he'd gone to prison in 1976 he would have almost certainly have been released by the mid 90s (thanks to the abolitionists) and been free to do it again, and the recidivism rate for paedophiles is 99%.

Anonymous said...

The police have framed thousands of innocent people along the way.

Anonymous said...

You can't bring the rope back in this Country with the police force we've got.

0% reoffending rate said...

Castree would have been walking the streets for the last 20 years if he'd been caught and Kiszko hadn't been wrongly convicted. That fact is what the abolitionists prefer to hanging - 'We'll live with it.'
Others might not be so fortunate

Tameside BNP returns said...

LTN knows the bobby moor, Tameside BNP is back with a new female organiser, a real classy chick she is too. With her beauty and Gary Tumilty's brains, surely the BNP will be unstoppable in Tameside. Just because only one person from Tameside turned up at the re-launch means nothing, Kay & Gary know that from small acorns grow might oak trees. Onwards and upwards and to infinity and beyond!

what would you do with the scum that did this? said...

Grandmother, 94, Beaten At Home As She Slept

John Terry hounded out of international football said...

I'm not fan of football by any means, but it's been hard for anyone to not follow this case purely through word of mouth. I don't blame him for retiring, he must have realised pretty quickly that because he's White and English he was guilty of whatever 'crime' he commited regardless of the verdict.

I don't believe for a second that this next point was any reason for him leaving the England team, but the 'England' team barely represents England or the English anymore, so perhaps it would be nice to think he thought there was no point representing a country that wasn't his own anymore, that won't be the case in his mind, but it's nice to imagine he thought that.

Great picture of thousands of 'Brits' queing for a new iPhone in London said...

I study demographics intensely and one must consider the death of the two baby boom generations , those of 1945-47 and those of 1963-66, when those two drop off in the next 25 years we will see a sudden and awesome new reality in the population of this country. This FACT has been deliberately hidden from the public but those in power know the score and know that Islam will rule politics and everything else. Will our establishment fight it?? NO, they will try to assimilate but luckily for us the Muslims may just be too arrogant to permit this. In a nutshell, we , as we are now are finished and there is nothing anybody can do to fix it. Demographics (especially these massive changes) are unstoppable.

I'm not one for looking forward to getting old, but at 47, I'm glad I'm not a youngster. I reckon I've got another 25-30 years left and I can watch the twilight of civilisation as we know it. I don't have any kids, so I've nothing to worry about when I'm gone. I shall be selling up and retiring abroad.

I feel sorry for the youngsters of today, who are going to spend their lives living the multiculti dream, whilst living in the global government feudal system.

One of the big reasons the West is in such dire straights is because the 'hippy generation' have abdicated their responsibilities to uphold truth and principles in favor of believing in feel-good 'politically correct' propaganda. Adults are supposed to be responsible for leaving the children of tomorrow something worth looking forward to. To say "I don't have any kids, so I've nothing to worry about when I'm gone" means you are not really human. Not because you haven't had any kids but because you don't care about those who have.

Anonymous said...

I have read with interest the debate about hanging. I followed the Roy West case with his neighbours with the same keen interest. Fact: not one shread of evidence was produced against Roy West. He was convicted on a good dose of hearsay and a good helping of collusion.
Where was the evidence to secure a conviction.? None is the answer to that it's simply a case of ringing up, Roy West said this and said that to us. HEARSAY!
How can that be a good basis to build JUSTICE on.?
I am totally amazed by the Roy West case and feel distrubed by his conviction.
They're can be no doubt of collusion because the evidence is their in front of us, more than just hearsay that convicted Roy West.

Anonymous said...

Mr West my advice to you is this, rejion the BNP. I am not saying this because I'm connected to the BNP in anyway shape or form.
I am Conservative with a Capital C.
We all know that John Taylor was in collusion with your nieghbours.
You bring courage to the fight against these Labour scum in Tameside. I am old Conservative Norman Tebbit, Enoch Powell, Monday Club get the message.?


The Game Plan Is So Obvious said...

Seriously, how could anyone even contemplate restoring the death penalty in this day and age. Modern Britain is a dangerous place, especially for patriots. Take a look at this article from the Telegraph today. The PC pc’s are suggesting the dead man MAY have been the victim of a racially motivated attack, yet there is no supporting evidence. The Stephen Lawrence circus started in a similar way, no reliable witnesses, just a suggestion that the offence was racially motivated, and from there the legend grew. This latest case has the same hallmarks.

We know from the news reports that the deceased is Asian, we can also ascertain from the news reports that the suspects are White - hence the suggestion the incident MAY have been racially motivated. In modern Britain, when an incident occurs involving native Brit v immigrant, and the native Brit stands as ‘the accused’, 1000 years of law is turned on its head as the native Brit has to prove that the incident was not racially motivated. Instead of being innocent until proven guilty, the native Brit is treated as guilty until proven innocent.

Okay, you may say I am talking rubbish and no such kind of two tier approach to race issues exist in Britain. You may be interested to read this BBC article about the murder of 30 year old Christopher Yates who was murdered by an Asian gang. Despite evidence from the murderers themselves who admitted to killing Mr Yates specifically because he was White, the State, the judge and their media opinion formers decided that the killing was not racially motivated - hence the reason why you have never heard of the racist murder of Christopher Yates or any of the other countless number of White race attack victims.

Meanwhile in Rotherham today. And yes, you guessed it, of course the multiple rape of numerous White children by immigrant predators was not racially motivated - or that is what the mindbenders would have you believe.

Now really, would you seriously want these people - the mindbenders, to have access to the death penalty as an option?

Racist murder probe: The Hysteria Without Evidence Begins said...

Police SUSPECT car crash dad may actually have been knifed to death because of his colour.

A married father who was originally believed to have died in a car crash MAY ACTUALLY have been stabbed to death in a racist attack.

A murder hunt has been launched, and detectives FEAR Mr Khan MAY have been the victim of an unprovoked, racially-motivated attack.

(You see - no evidence just suggestive emphasis on words)

Life For Life said...

Not every murder is linked to race, politics or supposed State sponsored fit-ups, difficult to believe for some I know.
Virtually all are just vile, sordid or brutal crimes committed by subhuman beasts.
Castree killed Lesley Molseed in the most wicked fashion imaginable and in my view anyone who commits such offences deserves execution.
No-one can supply an appropriate or proportionate alternative punishment for acts of such evil. Don't dishonour the victims by spouting juvenile cant about 'life imprisonment' it's pathetic.

Like a circle in a spiral... said...

The mindbenders are the cleverest people on the planet and are far too intelligent and subtle to simply start legally killing dissenters as it might do the one thing they fear: Rock the boat. That would lead to: possible civil unrest; increased uncertainty; and thereby weaken their control.

FAscists said...

The FA's rules state that if someone has been cleared by another tribunal, such as a Court, then their own FA hearing is cancelled.
They have employed specialist legal advice to enable John Terry's hearing to go ahead. In other words they've moved the goalposts to try and win the game. Why? Because this case is the Holy of Holies...a RACE issue.
Best of luck to John Terry.

Anonymous said...

You must be ‘avin a larf’ . They could organise spectacular ‘execute a racist’ events and the sheep would tune in by the million to watch it and cheer along at every step of the proceedings. They have no fears of public uprisings as their media buddies play the tune and the sheep happily dance along to it.

Like a wheel within a wheel... said...

There is absolutely no sign of support from the liberal media for the return of capital punishment, quite the contrary. And the same media, as you say, are in the thrall of the internationalists. Therefore the latter must want it that way.

tonydj said...

@21/09/2012 08:49

The point about Stefan Kiszko is that he was deliberately framed. An innocent man, he was not accidently convicted through a mistake, the police lied.

The Police. The people who arrest us, baton charge us, breathalyse us and who prosecute us if we defend ourselves from criminals. The very people charged with protecting the innocent deliberately disobeyed their orders,shirked their duties.

So to answer your question, if a soldier deliberately shirks his duty and disobeys orders which result in the death of the innocent then I will stomsach his punishment.

How will I deal with the rise in murder? Well for a start lets see how many murders are committed by people foreign to this country, so that's all the IRA's victims (The IRA don't consider themselves "Brits"), the 7/7 victims etc. No, this is not a "bash Johnny foreigner" rant but an example of how the state has allowed murderers into society.

Then there are the mentally ill released into society.

There is nothing wrong with the death penalty. The problem is those who have control of it in the UK.

Anonymous said...

"The problem is those who have control of it in the UK" Well said Tony, you are the voice of reason.

Anonymous said...

@tonydj

Sorry penfold but your argument is fallacious on a number of counts.

First of all, IRA killings on the UK mainland only accounted for a small minority of homicides when the murder rate skyrocketed in the 60s and 70s. As for foreigners - they started coming in during the late 1940s some 16 or so years before abolition when the murder rate was consistantly falling to record lows.

With abolition came an unprecedented jump in homicides - it doubled in just one decade! No-one but a complete imbecile would dismiss any causal link. That doubling was an extra 300 murders EVERY YEAR - were that many innocent people being sent to the gallows every year?? If we beg the question as to how many innocent lives were lost through more murders as opposed to that number who would've been wrongly executed - we can but draw one stark conclusion. The abolitionists are responsible for trail of innocent blood going back decades, and one which continues to run to this very day. But Stefan Kiszco (etc) is the only name ever likely to pass your lips in this debate.

As for police fit-ups - you could use that argument to abolish all forms of punishment. Soldiers in war are meant to only target combatants, but some are corrupt and evil and will deliberately choose to target civilians - an argument against any and all wars perhaps? There is no ideal solution to the reality that is murder, each side is only arguing for the lesser of two evils.

Anonymous said...

@the game plan is so obvious

In my kind of Britain different people would be running the show, and so called 'racism' would not be a relevant factor in any criminal offence (any more than hairism eyeism or feetism). I'm not requesting that Labour and likes restore capital punishment any more than I'm arguing for them to vote NF. I'm simply arguing the sound justification for its restoration when like minded people are running the show. And whilst I would advocate that all are treated fairly before the law, I wouldn't lose much sleep over the stitch-up of a few red trouble causers (any more than they would over us in the current climate).

Jayne said...

I@tonydj

"Why do you have a peculiar obsession with stefan kiszco? It isn't the first time you've been wailing about his particular case on this forum, and like it or not there is far more to this issue than parroting "stefan kiszco end of". You look like a weak chinned milksop, and it's about time you applied some of that hard headed attitude that goes with BNP membership to other issues.

You conveniently ignore the fact that the murder was committed following an unprecedented rise (more than doubled in a decade) in the homicide rate thanks to abolitionists of similar mind to you. There's every reason to suppose the crime would never have been committed in the first place if the likes of Castree had the prospect of a noose in mind.

Do you salute our soldiers on remeberance sunday? Because if you do, you might be interested to learn that killing innocent people is also an unfortunate by-product of warfare between nations. So unless you're some absolute pacifist who rejects any and all forms of violent intervention, you're being a bit hypocritical with your standards. Rather like the many Labour MPs who in one breath will point out the awful prospect of hanging innocent people, and in the next breath are justifying dropping bombs on civilian cities.

Quite simply, when your kind make sure that wrongful hangful is only ever discussed alongside the shocking and rise in murders following abolition, then I'll take you people seriously. "

21/09/2012 08:49


David give up mate, she has a BSc in maths and physics - she's far too clever lol.

tonydj said...

I shall have to do some research on this question but I have a suspicion that the rise in the murder rate goes hand in hand with the rise of drug culture in the UK. And druggies are not rational.

The USA has a drug culture AND the death penalty and the murder rate is higher.

Salford BNP said...

John Taylor is in a right old state read his blog. over the BNP's return to Tameside.

Shyster Roy Anderson masquerading as a magistrate in Leeds said...

This Hearing in Leeds Magistrates, Thursday 2nd February 2012 is for my 'Committal to Crown Court for Trial' - FOR THE TERRIBLE CRIME OF OFFERING LEAFLETS! The previous 'hearing' on 12th January was SUPPOSED to be for that reason. In fact the Crown Prosecution Service had made an Application to adjourn the hearing as they were 'not ready'. The reason they gave was that they had "asked the police to undertake a large number of actions in respect of the case". On that occasion District Judge Roy Anderson refused to hear my objection to the adjournment (or to hear a single word from me!), which meant it wasn't a 'Hearing ' at all, & was in gross violation of the law.

Quislings in a Kangaroo Court! said...

tonydj watch the above link.
That's the future of British JUSTICE!
That's what you call a hero the man standing up to the traitors.

Anonymous said...

how is the murder rate and punishment in the USA relevant here, when we have our own experience to go off here in the uk? I'm afraid whichever way you hold it up, what happens in America is not going to negate what happened here - doubling the homicide rate in just a decade following abolition. If you want to discuss crime and punishment in Britain, then stick to the facts as they apply to Britain.

Norman Scarth forced to seek asylum in Hitler's Homeland!!!!!!!!! said...

STOP PRESS: It is understood the judge who presided refused to proceed with the case in his absence, & has ordered the arrest of this 86 year old Arctic Convoy Hero, & that if caught he must not be given bail. We presume he has alerted Interpol? And the 'crime' committed by this World war II veteran? Offering leaflets!!! Will the British People ever wake up to the savagery of the State they live in? It is beginning to look most unlikely.

Pay Your Tax or we Take Your Children - LEEDS CITY COUNCIL said...

WHEN WILL THE FASCISTS COME FOR YOU?

freedom, liberty, and justice said...

Anon@11.15 is quite right, this is a peculiarly British issue and I am sure he will agree that no country could match Britain when it comes to the number of wrongful convictions in relation to serious crimes. It is interesting to note that in England and Wales, between 1996 and 2006, 175 people accused of either murder (138) or manslaughter (37) subsequently had their convictions quashed by the Court of Appeal. In all these cases no retrial was ordered. Further to this, 106 (90 for murder and 16 for manslaughter) were then cleared upon retrial. This gives a total of 281 people wrongly convicted for the most serious of crimes. Had the penalty still been available, most of these people would have been executed, but hey, if they were lucky they have received a posthumous pardon.

The system is broken and as long as it remains so, there is no way any right thinking individual could wish for the death penalty to be restored. The likes of Ronald Castree and other convicted murderers are locked up safely behind bars, as undoubtedly are some innocent people waiting to have their convictions quashed, unlike poor Mahmood Mattan and Timothy Evans who are just two examples of people who were wrongfully executed. Timothy Evans even admitted to the crime following police interrogation, despite being not guilty, does that sound like someone who used to post on this blog? But thankfully Judge Berg did not have the power to execute.

From doing a brief study on miscarriages of justice I have come to the conclusion that in most cases the victims are from poor backgrounds and in many cases, such as Timothy Evans and RW, they are vulnerable individuals in their own right. As Tony DJ correctly stated, “There is nothing wrong with the death penalty. The problem is those who have control of it in the UK“.

When the system is fixed and corruption no longer exists, in a time when there is fair representation for all regardless of background or economic status, maybe the death penalty could be discussed. But that day is a long long way away, so in the meantime, the populist knee-jerk hang em` high brigade will just have to amuse themselves with watching Youtube videos of historical hangings until the 'good old days' for which they yearn return.

Anonymous said...

The abolition of the death penalty in the UK began with the 1957 Homicide Act, which restricted hanging for the following types of murder....

Murder in the course or furtherance of theft; s.5(1)(a)

Murder by shooting or by causing an explosion; s.5(1)(b)

Murder in the course or for the purpose of resisting, avoiding or preventing a lawful arrest, or of effecting or assisting an escape or rescue from legal custody; s.5(1)(c)

Murder of a police officer acting in the execution of his duty, or of a person assisting a police officer so acting; s.5(1)(d)

Murder of a prison officer acting in the execution of his duty, or of a person assisting a prison officer so acting, by a person who was a prisoner at the time when he did or was a party to the murder; s.5(1)(e).

The number of persons convicted of murder in England and Wales (disregarding other homicides like manslaughter) between 1946-56 was.... 31 35 40 33 38 22 41 26 25 30 32 respectively. In other words it was relatively stable (showing no sign of real increase) and averaging 32 a year.

Persons convicted of murder between 1958-1963 were.... 30 42 42 51 31 46. That averages 40 a year - a clear and sudden (albeit modest) increase.

Capital punishment was abolished completely in 1964. Between 1965-74 the number of murder convictions was.... 57 72 64 76 78 99 91 85 83 125 (average 83 a year). In this time period there were only 12 IRA members convicted in England of murder, thus not distorting the figures.

Anonymous said...

PS - in the 1990s murder convictions had hit a record high averaging 215 a year. Not much of an increase from the pre-abolition era average of 32. That hundreds more innocents dead EACH AND EVERY YEAR.

Anonymous said...

The news of the BNP's return to Tameside, well even it's all hot air and bollocks. It's got the Mighty Miget
(John Taylor) in a panic. I do think, if the BNP manage to put together a campaign in Dukinfield, it will cause the little runt to make big mistakes in his personal conduct again.
He's already making personal attacks on certain people. It's worth the effort on the part of what's left of the BNP it give it a good go in Dukinfield.

Ex-BNP Voter said...

The BNP are yesterdays news, Forget them, they will never make a comeback under the current regime. UKIP are a viable alternative that are on the rise.

Hearsay trumpted up charges said...

Justice in Tameside means, call up the police accuse Roy West's of name calling.

Paddy said...

@25/09/2012 13:08 on the rise where.? Have we missed something here something big.?

Paddy said...

@25/09/2012 13:08 even with the massive loss of activist suffered, the bnp can still manage double the foot activists that you lot can put together.

Anonymous said...

I was at the UKIP conference and I can tell you that we are going into partnershap with the Conservatives. We are predicted to get 25 MEP's at the next European elections. Ditch the sinking ship and join UKIP. We have a real chance of influencing government policy on Europe. Come and join the party and do your bit for Britain. We have lifted the prohibition on BNP members and they can now join as long as they have no links with BNP and on the understanding that they do not promote racism in the name of UKIP.

Anonymous said...

partnership with the Conservatives, they're going to lose the next election.

Anonymous said...

If you are going into partnershap with the Conservatives as you say, then why on earth would you need former BNP members to join you? Wag is the poster pretending to be ukip.

uk.com said...

all this talk of ukip bnp they're all finished ukip never even got started in tameside.

Anonymous said...

UKIP will be the best bet in 2014 you'll see.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

ukip HA HA HA

New Tameside BNP Organiser said...

Classy!

Life For Life said...

@Freedom, liberty and justice, the 138 people you refer to who had their murder convictions quashed between 1996 and 2006 would never be executed if the death penalty was returned. As in America there would be lengthy and exhaustive appeals going on for years before anyone was executed. ANY doubt whatsoever would result in commutation to life imprisonment.
Why not address all the other points raised like: The hundreds of innocent people killed by released murders since abolition.
The increase in the murder rate.
The nauseating fact that the average 'lifer' serves about 11 years.
Castree (and many many like him) would have been walking the streets for 20 years if he HAD been convicted.
People who take the lives of others DESERVE to have their lives taken in return.
It is the ONLY appropriate PUNISHMENT for murder, particularly heinous killers like Thomas Hamilton (unless you'd care to state clearly that you believe life imprisonment is an appropriate punishment for the cold blooded murders of sixteen 5 and 6 year olds - just imagine the confusion and terror they must have suffered).
As for social status, most criminals in western society come from the lower social strata, so what, does that mean they should be let off. Looking at all the cesspits of the world, whatever your 'social status' you are extremely lucky to live here or in similar countries, in return the only thing expected is to behave within the criminal law, those who don't should be expected to suffer the consequences.
We DO have to be aware of the politicisation of the law but that has no connection whatsoever to the fact that people like Brady, Sutcliffe, Shipman, Hamilton etc etc DESERVE to be punished PROPORTIONATE TO THE CRIME and their vitim's posthumous rights DESERVE to be honoured.

Salvation in Christ said...

Brady, Sutcliffe, Shipman, Hamilton etc etc DESERVE to be punished, yes, and they are punished by losing their liberty in prison. Your argument is weak and the main thrust is revenge rather than justice.

Anonymous said...

The 33rd Grenadier Division fought its final battle in Berlin. The formation was decimated and its survivors were executed by the French government. When some of its survivors were seen by General LeClerc, he asked them why were they wearing German uniforms. One member of the Charlemagne asked the general,'Why are you wearing an American one?' He promptly had them shot without trial.

Life For Life said...

Your argument isn't weak, it's non-existent as you have failed to answer any of my specific points.
No-one can seriously state life imprisonment is an appropriate punishment for the cold blooded murder of sixteen five and six year olds, explain where the 'justice' for the victims is in that.
The abolitionist's priority isn't punishment, justice or the victims, it's their personal distaste for things that make them 'feel bad or uneasy'.
Self-righteous statements about revenge are frankly pathetic, disingenuous and dishonour the victims and belittle the terrifying ordeal they went through before being killed so brutally.
No doubt Castree will be sat in his nice warm cell watching free Sky TV tonight whilst Lesley Molseed has been cold in her grave for nearly forty tears, but as long as the abolitionists don't have to 'feel bad' about themselves these two facts are clearly acceptable to people whose personal agendas are more important than doing what's correct.