Thursday, 24 May 2012

Outrageous plan to imprison buzzards and destroy their nests



Conservationists have condemned plans that would allow buzzard nests to be destroyed and the birds of prey taken into captivity to protect pheasant shoots.

The Environment Department (Defra) is to spend up to £375,000 researching ways to keep buzzards from targeting captive-reared pheasants.

The RSPB said the idea of taking wild buzzards into captivity or destroying their nests was "totally unacceptable", and criticised Defra for spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on the project when money was tight for conservation measures.

In a document setting out plans for the research project, Defra said the 2011 National Gamekeepers Organisation survey found that three quarters of gamekeepers (76%) believed buzzards had a harmful effect on pheasant shoots.

Buzzards are thought to target pheasant release pens if they find there is a readily available source of food and the Government's conservation agency Natural England has received a number of requests to license the killing of the bird of prey, which is a protected species.

In one case it was claimed that 25% to 30% of young pheasants were lost to buzzards, making the shoot unsustainable.

Buzzards have seen numbers increase by 146% between 1995 and 2009, although the increase appears to have levelled off between 2009 and 2010, according to the British Breeding Bird Survey.

But the RSPB said buzzards were eradicated from swathes of Britain by persecution and were only now recovering, as a result of legal protection ....read full article here.

This is an issue which concerns me greatly. It just so happens I have been out filming local buzzards this afternoon (video below) and the thought of the authorities willfully destroying their nests makes me rage with anger. If the destruction was planned for legitimate reasons I would begrudgingly accept such a proposal but to destroy nests and imprison buzzards so Hooray Henries can take take to the moors and blast pheasants to death with shotguns is not a valid excuse in my opinion.

The Denton buzzards will be safe from this madness but the future of the Stalybridge buzzards will be perilous as their range does actually include a 'secret' pheasant breeding site hidden in the woods between Tintwistle and Crowden.

Should anyone spot anyone erecting the equipment needed to attack a buzzard nest, please do let me know as a matter of urgency.



While filming the buzzards today I also come across a Great Spotted Woodpecker ( I think so anyway? ) feeding chicks hidden in holes in a tree. The video can be viewed below.



I will not be updating this blog for a while barring some dramatic developments because too many important items from the likes of J Hall and Tony DJ are getting lost in the comments section. Tameside Citizen

115 comments:

Balance, not squeamishness said...

If people's livelihoods in the pheasant shooting industry are being seriously affected by an excessive number of buzzards then some of them should be removed. They aren't an endangered species.

Anonymous said...

Whilst the gun toting killers of pheasants hold power in the Countryside area`s their sport must not be threatened whatsoever they say.
Killing is part of their mentality, not for food,not for the chase,simply to express their power through killing.
Pity they are not employed in Afghanistan and let the decent young lads come back.

TC is bringing our limited countryside back on the agenda for Tameside and deserves support.
The end product will eventually be a barren countryside full of nothing but shot dead creatures.
Being encouraged each year by having 14 various bird types at my feeding station most days, their lives have an importance in my opinion.
Plenty more to disturb Brenda (Brenda Warrington)especially when Councillors are now demanding RESPECT.
So Gwynne proposes Warrington for Mayor,reminds me of their skulduggery of making known false entries in the House of Commons Official Registers.
RESPECT come off it they are not even fit to show themselves in public for lying to OUR Historic Houses of Parliament.
The TMBC Standards Committee needs exposing because its a backroom cover up for Councillors when needed,and I hope to shed some light on its rules and safeguards
for TMBC.
J.Hall
Seems as though the Seige Group has that much to read on TC that`s its shut up.
I note the built in solid safeguards for the ethnic groups in Tameside,that`s most interesting how its been "arranged".

Anonymous said...

Balance, not squeamishness said..
If people's livelihoods in the pheasant shooting industry are being seriously affected by an excessive number of buzzards then some of them should be removed.

That should therefore be considered
and applied across all living things re"excessive numbers".
So Councillors who drain resources,Obese people who increasingly will drain NHS Funds.

People's livelihoods (how many) you add,get a proper job then or is that too basic an idea.
J.Hall

Red horizon said...

Net migration to the UK is more than double the government's target of 100,000 a year according to new figures.
In the 12 months to last September net migration - the number arriving in the UK to stay for more than a year minus those leaving for good - was 252,000.
The figures from the Office For National Statistics show estimated long-term immigration to the UK in the year to September was 589,000, compared with 600,000 in the year to September 2010. The figure has remained at a similar level since 2004. That's, 8 X 595,000 = 4,760,000, that we know about, the real figure of course will be far higher.
671,000 National Insurance numbers were issued to non-UK nationals in2011, that's 56,000 a month, or 13,000 a week, in the middle of the worst recession on living memory.
250,000 were 'students' (up from the 2010 figure of 245,000).
Sir Andrew Green, Chairman of Migrationwatch, said, "It is still worrying news that net migration is still running at a quarter of a million a year. There is no sign of any reduction in the huge number that developed under Labour. The problem is that non-EU migrants are simply not leaving."

The three main parties are responsible for this spineless, chaotic treachery. As are the brainless, apathetic cowards who continue to vote for them.

Balance, not squeamishness said...

No doubt unemployed Gamekeepers, often living in remote rural areas, will easily be able to find alternative employment to support their families in the current dire economic conditions. Just so long as a few buzzards aren't painlessly tranquilised and removed.
Pheasants are bred specifically for this purpose and wouldn't exist without it.

The road to hell said...

13,000 NI numbers a week is over 1857... A F*****G DAY.

Animal Welfare Not Bloodlust said...

How about leaving the buzzards to do what buzzards do and instead see to it that pheasant shotgun killers are painlessly tranquilised and removed to secure mental health units where they belong?

Balance, not squeamishness said...

Because they don't have the same self-indulgent, squeamish views you do they're mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

Free the Buzzrd Three.

While the country sinks under immigration and economic meltdown.

Anonymous said...

Should be 'Buzzard', we must get these vital issues right.

Seige Committee said...

We will not be silenced until we get our bypass. Our next action involves lots of people using pedestrian crossings at one. watch this space.

Anonymous said...

Seige Committee said...
We will not be silenced until we get our bypass. Our next action involves lots of people using pedestrian crossings at one. watch this space.

Sounds like you want some more of the Stop The ByPass Facts which immerged.
If slowing the traffic down acting like morons then it definately indicates the traffic needs slowing down in Longendale which contradicts your 24/7 congested stopped traffic.
Its time to remind Ministers about all the PI Inquiry background the £26 millions already down the pan for NOTHING,and your total feeble and total inability to prove your case.
Did you campaign against TESCO ???
and how many more Tesco`s do you want there.
Headless chickens comes to mind.

It seems according to a "Mottram local source" the Mottram lights sequences have been tampered with again to slow down the A57 traffic.
Its interesting there are 3 local sources keeping an eye on you now who are keen to relay information.

Plus you conveniently refuse to admit a problem 15 times worse occurs here,and you are simply a squad of self minded callous individuals who are happy to shovel a natural event of some congestion towards us and make it 20 times worse here).
Why Anonymous, Anonymous,come on lets know who you are,and your links to the required NETA Europoean Road Route which you never told your locals about did you ??
J.Hall

Anonymous said...

Representatives on matters relating to the Members' Code of Conduct;
granting dispensations to Councillors and Co-opted Members and Church and Parent Governor Representatives from requirements relating to interests set out in the Members' Code of Conduct.
Anybody interested to define exactly what this TMBC statement of rules indicates.
I would be most grateful
Puzzled Lucy

Anonymous said...

"you are simply a squad of self minded callous individuals who are happy to shovel a natural event of some congestion towards us and make it 20 times worse here)."

Well that's one way of putting it Mr Hall. Another way of putting it is that the people of Mottram are not going to be dictated to by some upstart two towns away sticking his oar into their business.

It isn't just Mottram that is affected, it spans out into other areas too. Like for instance the horrendous daily rat run of HGVs along the narrow and winding Matley Lane in Hyde - a sight more hair-raising than anything encountered at the Denton interchange. That is how far and wide they are travelling to escape the congestion a bypass would ease.

I'm sorry but the Denton interchange wasn't constructed with a view to restricting future road building elsewhere in other towns within a several mile radius. If you thought it was then I'm afraid that was your error of judgement and no-one else's. That bypass is still years away, so if the prospect is so distressing to you then I have one simple piece of advice - sell up and move!

Like I've said - come clean as to how far and wide you consider yourself empowered to lecture people in other towns and boroughs on what roads they are allowed to build. Because in-so-doing you'll expose yourself to be the jumped-up interfering pain in the backside that you are.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR said...

Seige committee are you mad or what ? So what your saying is that your going to abused the pedestrian crossings are you ? Well you all need nicking coz crossings are not put there for dick heads to play with so the police shoud leave roy west be and spend some time sorting you lot out

Countryside not Roads said...

The Siege Committee are just a bunch of selfish NIMBY's who dfo not give a damn about the rest of us as long as they get their by-pass.

SerpentSlayer said...

I've visited Longdendale and I found it a wonderful break from the urban nightmare of my husk of an industrial town.

We can forget the overspill areas created by socialist meddling of course, but by and large I would say that Longdendale is the green jewel of an otherwise pretty rubbish borough.

How can anyone want to build a bypass and a Tesco in such a wonderful place?

I have no doubt that the local council are thoroughly rotten and that they are enemies to man, animal and to the land itself.

I can't wait to see them gibber in a hastily assembled courtroom!

Anonymous said...

Anon said:Like I've said - come clean as to how far and wide you consider yourself empowered to lecture people in other towns and boroughs.
My constant one and only objective for 15 years is to stop thousands of folk in Denton/Audenshaw having to daily ingest the chronic levels of dangerous toxins which I have thoroughly researched for 14 years,and now have the capacity to shoot anyone down in Longendale who thinks you can compare the two locations for levels of air pollution.
Get hold of the TMBC AQMA maps (Air Quality Management Area`s) released for 10 years,and teach yourself to identify the size of the Denton/Audenshaw Air Pollution.Its one of the largest Government designated Air Pollution Localities in the whole of Greater Manchester.
Your location is a very tiny insignificant thread on the map
compared with where 47,000 live.
I have made it my sole objective to try and safeguard babies,children and youngsters from being force fed
the "Very large doses" of dangerous toxins every day knowing that Government legislation 10 years ago "instructed" Councils to reduce air pollution in the already designated localities,and Tameside Council and its bloody callous and in my opinion criminal Councillors have done not one jot to improve or halt even more pollution as legistlated,which I consider confirms their vile deliberate abuse of the electorate having widely and conclusively studied the Epidemiological serious effects on the human health of 47,000 in this area.
So get this right Anon,your type are the one`s who should move, your a handful of self serving abusers who want our thousands of folk to get more pollution stuffed into their lungs each day which I condemn utterly because we have a right to halt any further air pollution occurring to satisfy a bunch living in the widespread rural location where you continue to squeal like stuffed pigs.
I do have the right to ensure Human Rights Articles and Aarhus Convention protocols are implemented in our region which at present are ignored,so you can sod off your soap box because I can buy and sell the lot of you when it comes down to presenting honest,
truthful and substantiated facts which I have continued to do well for 12 years and thats why you and your others remain Anons,why the
Seige mob didn`t want to attend the Public Inquiry nor did Oldham,Flynn,Reynolds,Purnell
Pendry because I tell you this, I would have discredited them and exposed their devious deceptive
rhetoric day in day out which would have exposed them to absolute ridicule.
You obviously want to see the young,elderley,and families here stuffed even more with these dangerous toxins to enable you to go back to the 19th century,and that I say having seen the pictures drawn for R.Oldham to promote a ByPass showing wide old style pedestrianh roads,tree laden and planted avenues everywhere,with drawings which looked like a 19th Century Village scene while you and you ilk parade yourselves as the gentry while our folk and kids experience more of the deadly diseases from your shunted HGV`s and Cars.
You are pi----- in the wind if you think I would give up exposing the truth,and another thing pal

Section S68 Public Order aggravated trespass act under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
applies to your Seige mob if they try obstructing the highway road network in an unjust manner.
So lets make sure your senior Police Officers around the Mottram area arrest you and
dish out a penalty to each one concerned in the threat mentioned from a fellow Anon up there who stated:
"Our next action involves lots of people using pedestrian crossings at one. watch this space"..
J.Hall

Brenda said...

Oh this bloody trouble causer is off on another ramble spouting hot air as usual. Ignore everything he says as he is just looking for confrontation.

Anonymous said...

Reading that post I take it that the Seige Group gentry will have the Police descend on them similar to what they carried out on RW.
To threaten action as they have done in disrupting the normal traffic flows should bring squads of Police Officers with Vans to eliminate any obstructive behavior they attempt.
Sock it to them GMP

Anonymous said...

Reading that post I take it that the Seige Group gentry will have the Police descend on them similar to what they carried out on RW.
To threaten action as they have done in disrupting the normal traffic flows should bring squads of Police Officers with Vans to eliminate any obstructive behavior they attempt.
Sock it to them GMP

Anonymous said...

Brenda said...
Oh this bloody trouble causer is off on another ramble spouting hot air as usual. Ignore everything he says as he is just looking for confrontation.

Councillor Warrington
Its just a pity the House of Commons internal security police did not arrest you for falsification of House of Commons documentation,when you decided not to disclose you were a Tameside Councillor and also had at least 2 other paid outside interests when you officially declared "NO INTERESTS" just hope you didn`t state that to the Tax Inspectors.????? Brenda
So here we have a disgraced Labour Councillor found out who makes it to the Lord Mayor supported by A Gwyyne`s recommendation who also was party to your House of Commons deception and the gross abuse of Commons Registers.
Pipe down Brenda your a typical bellowing labour joke.
And you and your mates paid to represent Denton West have the obscene bloody audacity to want more air pollution directed into your own Constituency.
I just hope the electorate especially those with kids punish you at the next local election
for bloody sitting back for years with your mate Gwynne and ensuring you do sod all about what the infants and kids are now ingesting.
For this you are an outright bloody disgrace to ignore the plight of families,infants and kids health,and as for being Lord Mayor
it just denotes the TMBC types who support you crass negligence towards the health of your own constituents
J.Hall

B said...

Keep it up troublecauser and I will sue! ! !

Anonymous said...

Brenda said...
Oh this bloody trouble causer is off on another ramble spouting hot air.
Your like a bloody nutty stuffed parrot who just like gobbing it whenever J.hall exposes details which we have a right to know.
Change the record you simpleton,and expand on your rubbish in future.
DW resident

Howard Younger said...

Has there been a plan to bulldoze a few hundred houses to get the traffic flowing up there, instead of ruining even more of our local urban countryside?
If the trams, (which are fundamentally pointless as they'll only ever move a tiny fraction of the public, even at theoretical full capacity) can cause all this inconvenience and demolition why not a bypass/road improvement scheme that would significantly improve the lives of millions of road users a year and would provide a cosiderable boost for the local economy.

Anonymous said...

anybody else think that Brenda and JH are the same person?

Keir Hardy's Cap said...

Just looks like Mr. Hall is being played like a banjo more like.

He keeps biting though, so you may have a point...

Between two points said...

A straight line, roughly following the course of the current road and demolishing a few hundred houses would result in no damage to the countryside and solve the traffic problem.

Anonymous Returns said...

Mr Hall, how far and wide are you empowered to lecture other people in other towns on what roads they are allowed to build??????

What you are effectively saying Mr Hall is that the development of the road network spanning a radius several miles from the centre of the universe (aka Denton) must now (for the first time in its history) stagnate indefinately. You see what you clearly don't get is the utter lunacy of consigning the roads of one town to remain frozen in time forever, due to the highly dubious predictions of some self-proclaimed 'expert'.

Well you are not an expert Mr Hall, but you most definately are...
1. A neurotic hypochondriac
2. A sanctimonious fusspot
3. An outsider who has no business attempting to kibosh much needed road improvements elsewhere - be that in Mottram, Oldham, Stoke on Trent or anywhere else east west north south likely to have you getting your dander up.

I frequently visit Denton, I know people who live in Denton, I worked in Denton until recently and my grandfather lived to a ripe old age in Denton. The insidious deadly miasma that has you in such a state seems to have passed me and everyone else I know by. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the problems you relate are real. And I have to tell you that still doesn't change my view.

I'm afraid the answer to Denton's problems must ultimately lie in the design of Denton's road network, not in attempting to wreck road development all over the show outside of your own town. One feasible solution could be the reconstruction of the Denton Interchange. Whether that could take the form of a flyover from the M67 to the A57 and/or a slip road from the M60 to the M67 I couldn't possibly say (you know - not being myself an expert).

Bulldozers for Londendale Hollingworth and Tintwistle said...

Anon@23.12, no, J Hall and Brenda are two different people but they do live fairly close to each other. One is a community champion and a tireless campaigner for good, the other is on the take via the public purse gravy train.

Between Two Points has the perfect solution. Instead of building a bypass, demolish everything on one side of the road starting at Hattersley roundabout and finishing where the Siege Committee envisage the bypass re-joining the A628. This way the road can be widened and the countryside can be preserved as the bypass will no longer be required. This will keep the Siege Committee happy too as they claim to want the bypass for the good of the region, so their small sacrifice shall be to the benefit of the region.

Anonymous said...

"This way the road can be widened and the countryside can be preserved as the bypass will no longer be required"

Perhaps so, but Hall's main gripe is that any easing of congestion in that area will encourage more traffic affecting him over in Denton. So his insane position is - Mottram better not ever dare to ease their congestion problems!

Anonymous said...

That is a good point but I have heard he has 24 lanes of motorway traffic on his doorstep so it is easy to see why he feels so strongly about the issue.

Reptilians in Denton said...

It's also quite easy to dismiss out of hand anything Hall has to say when he compares air pollution in Denton to Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds. And when he implies that those he deems responsible might be worthy of indictment for crimes against humanity by an international court, we know for sure we're dealing with a basketcase who would be in good company amongst the likes of David Icke.

Anonymous said...

But is he wrong in his assertion? Experts back up his claims that traffic pollution is deadly.

Training PCs to issue eviction warnings ‘victimises’ social tenants said...

The scheme was attacked as ‘appalling’ by Michael Gelling, chair of the Tenants’ and Residents’ Organisations of England, who said it risked stigmatising social tenants and interfering in the relationship between tenant and landlord.

He said: ‘This is the victimisation of registered social housing tenants. What about the owner-occupier next door doing the same thing? The police have to treat people the same.’

Mr Gelling said tenants were under no obligation to provide details about their tenure to the police

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Returns said...
Whether that could take the form of a flyover from the M67 to the A57

B said...
Keep it up troublecauser and I will sue!

Lets get down to basics and firstly what happens to the traffic at Denton with a flyover from the M67 to the A57.
Unbelievable and utter chaos,simply
because the A57 approaching Reddish Bridge becomes 2 lanes,then at the overhead rail bridge it becomes 1 lane as it carries on to Gorton.
So in a nutshell the M67 with its lanes of present queuing traffic then within a mile becomes 1 Lane.
Now that is fact to those who cannot think past where Motorway traffic ends up.Regardless of the insults from this poster such a scheme is absolutely bloody nuts.
The Highways Agency released its findings re the M67/M60/A57 i8nterchange clearly states nothing can done to assist this location which is one of the worst congested
areas in t5he region,those reports I already have numerous other official documents which always substantiate my postings.
As for Brenda`s threat.
On what basis do you threaten,were you found guilty of the false declaration yes or no.
Was it investigated by the House of Commons Standards supremo yes or no (don`t forget I have all the letters,E.Mails and reports)
Did you therefore mislead the House of Commons in official records which also appertained to A.Gwynne
Yes or No.
Did you slander me on TC a couple of weeks ago and then quickly complied with my request for an apology,by suggesting you misunderstood.
Sorry Brenda but don`t threaten me again its preferable if you keep quiet besides backing up your extremely close friend A.Gwynne.
Let Mr Gwynne answer my questions seeing he enjoys constant internet
activity,and make it clear Brenda
did you write an E.Mail stating this area was the most congested and air polluted in the North,yes or no please.
If yes why have you along with local Councillors done nothing to assist that problem and why have you never brought your opinions to the notice of your electorate or mentioned it in the local press where everyone can know of your concerns because its a huge serious problem which I know,you know,A.Gwynne knows ande your 2 fellow Councillors know.
So when you attack me lets get down to facts,reality,and data,not simply spurious rants which never refer to the comments I make about the negligence over years of our
Councillors and MP resulting in increasing and disturbing levels of air pollution which are harming anyone within 400 metres of either the M60.the M67 and the A57.
Don`t refute the facts and slag me off,its you the electorate needs to be aware of along with Gwynne,Smith,Lane,non of whom live in the Constituency but live in other Tameside Wards where possibly the environmental conditions suit them better.
J.Hall
I personally know the dangerous diseases and effects of air pollution,and the problems it causes and I will fight tooth and nail to have the existing high levels which TMBC refuse to monitor
exposed, certainly not for my sake whatsover in anyway but for the infants,kids,adults and the aged
in a 47,000 community who I do not want to see end up with Bronchitis,Emphysema,Asthma ,
Heart complaints and serious lung problems which are linked to traffic related air pollution.
I will never back off until you and your paid to serve TMBC Councillors
get of your backsides and carry out what you should have been doing these past 10 years.
J.Hall

Anonymous said...

No-one would disagree that traffic pollution call cause health problems. Experts can show that but we all live in a modern society and we have to accept that. With advancements in medical science we are all living longer. This is also a fact. And people living in the area where Mr Hall lives has a longer life expectancy than most despite living near a major motorway. This debate is about improving traffic flows through Longdendale and I don't live there but agree that Mr Hall should not condemn the people of Longdendale bacause he has a different agenda. He makes reference to NETA and yet Longdendale had nothing to do with NETA and never will but Mr Hall will throw it into the debate and make reference to some document that some other blog site may have found. He may make reference with others to adjustments to traffic lights and yet these are controlled by an Urban Traffic Unit and not TMBC. His theories are just that and are the opinions of one individual, who to be honest, resorts to offensive language for anyone who questions him. A very strange character.

Anonymous said...

Ive never seen Brenda and JH in the same room together so it could be true.

Just like Clark Kent and Superman, one and the same person.

Anonymous said...

Annon at 26/05/2012 00:54 has a really good point that is being ignored.

Improve traffic flow at Denton by building that fly over to connect the M67 and M60 without the need for traffic lights. Less slowing down and less speeding up equals less pollution.

The M67 ramp is already mapped out and partially built.

Less pollution equals Mr Halls support as well. a win win situation.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't put it past Hall being Brenda as well. If you analyse his rants he could well be having the debate with himself. I may send his postings to a friend who's a psychologist and see what he thinks

Dragon Ball said...

Mr Hall is the undisputed winner in this debate. As he says; even if the bypass and flyover was built, all the traffic channelled down the A57 to Manchester would end up in the Reddish Lane/Hyde Road bottleneck which would mean traffic would still be queuing but this time on the motorway and proposed flyover.

And as for Brenda and Mr Hall being the same person, this is plain wrong. Nobody can write in the format which Mr Hall does. He is using an Amiga64 which he amazingly has configured to work on the web as we know it today, but what ever he does, the formatting of text will look different from everyone else, including Brenda, who use modern computers to access the web.

Traitors And Scum Police said...

Another case of police ignoring a young White girl's complaint about an Asian paedophile. In this case, a 12 year old girl reported this nonce, Azad Miah, because he was stalking her at her school and took three years before they did anything. No doubt because they didn't want to be called 'racist'.

It can affect a police officer's promotion chances you see if the 'community' takes offence at his actions that may show that 'community' in a bad light.



Police ignored victims of Muslim child sex trafficker who recruited non-Muslim child "prostitutes"
Pandering to political correctness kills. Pamela Geller has much more on this appalling story here.


"Youngest victim says her complaints against Miah were ignored by police," from ITV News, May 14, 2012:



One of Azad Miah's under-age victims complained to the police about him three years before his eventual arrest, his trial heard.

His youngest victim, aged 12, said she gave up talking to the police about the takeaway owner pestering her for sex in exchange for cash because nothing was being done.

In the wake of Miah's arrest in 2011 she was asked at the start of her police interview if she knew why she was being questioned. Tellingly, she replied:

"Because of something that happened three years ago and now youse have finally decided to do summat about it. The police never done anything about it so I just stopped complaining in the end.

Under cross-examination at Carlisle Crown Court, she was told there was no record of any of her supposed complaints. Barrister Stephan Meadowcroft QC said "The police keep careful records."

Behind a screen in court, she replied: "So they should but they didn't."

Clearance said...

Re the Reddish Lane/Hyde Rd bottleneck: Heading the other way (i.e. towards Denton) the lunatics in power have installed a cycle lane to CREATE congestion. At first it was signed for drivers to use when no cyclists were there. Then it was changed to a cycle lane with a broken line which means it can only be used when absolutely necessary.
The vast majority of drivers (i.e the ones with brains) simply ignore the cycle lane and drive in it as there is clearly enough width for two cars.
The authorities are now infested with, and heavily influenced by, pressure groups, in this case the 'Green' lobby, who hate the very idea of the "non-inclusive" private car with a socialist passion and use 'Green' issues as a mask to hide it.
The same groups have pushed the unnecessary, obstructive, phenomenally expensive, and in terms of theoretical maximum passenger capacity extremely limited, white elephant that is the tram.

Actions have consequences said...

"The police keep careful records."
Yes but sometimes they 'lose' them.

Join the police now and you are signing up to enforce politically motivated laws that are designed to destroy Britain and its identity.

Traitors Justice said...

The Rochdale grooming/paedophilic rape scandal is far from over yet. The way the authorities refused to help the victims when it was first reported in 2008 has yet to be fully highlighted. If GMP acted then - as they were begged to do by victims parents, hundreds more victims could have been saved.

Under the Labour regime 'community relations' always come before white working class victims of these immigrant rape gangs. Hopefully one day we will get the chance to legally execute the guilty at all levels of this scandal.

TC was highlighting the scandal of immigrant grooming of our children in Hyde years ago, but still it goes on.

Have a look at your intestines you beast said...

That paedophile c**t will be out in four years. He should have been hung, drawn and quartered.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Mr Hall has won the debate. The M60 is not going to be moved. Neither is the M67 so his traffic will continue. But Longdendale will get something if not a bypass.

bring in the dozers said...

The demolition of all properties on one side of the A57/A628 from Hattersley to Tintwistle followed by road widening would be the only environmentally acceptable proposal.

Is this proposal acceptable to members of the Siege Committee?

Anonymous Returns said...

My point about flyovers and slip roads was a mere suggestion, and I wouldn't for one minute trust what the Highways Agency have to say. The M67 which connects Manchester and Sheffield smacks right into a small roundabout littered with traffic lights together with the M60 and A57. That is madness, and a redesign of some sort is badly needed. It was an ill-conceived botch-up in the first place.

J Hall however is asserting that nothing can ever be done to alter the interchange and the surrounding road system to improve traffic flow. He is also asserting that from now on all surrounding towns within a several mile radius must never ever take measures to ease congestion on their roads, because in his head that will always translate into more vehicles on local roads including Denton. Whichever way we hold it up to him, he simply cannot see the innate lunacy of his position.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Returns 14:24

Excellent point. As a neutral on this issue it is clear for all to see that the pro bypass people are putting forward their desire in a reasoned way. Mr Hall by contrast is just abusive and offensive. He has silly ideas of conspiracies which do nothing to further his argument. So what if TMBC put a monitoring station near his home. What will it prove? And then what can be done about it? Mr Hall knows that the TMBC monitoring station is positioned to measure ambient urban levels and this contributes to the Greater Manchester wide surveys. But e goes on and on about a monitoring station. We all know that pollutant levels will be higher at the interchange. But what's his solution because he rubbish's a fly-over.

Anne's healthy tips for mums to be said...

This is not for all pregnant ladies but I would recommend it for most, see your GP for further advise some of them might know what their talking about.
When your about three months pregnant start the morning with a good old English fry up drop of gin to wash it down then have a fag, for lunch good old meat and potato pies(3) plenty of crust all washed down with a good bottle of wine then have a fag
Tea can be sorted down at the chippy jumbo sausage (2)mushy peas and four slices of bread, can of coke to wash it down but sneak in a couple of shots of good old Jamaican Rum.
Couple of fags inside the house to finish off the day. don't worry about Jnr it will do him/her no harm.
Stay tuned in for more healthy tips

Anonymous said...

The hysterical flack directed at me gives a clear indication of a mainly Tameside Labourite war dogs let loose again.
They are all Anon because non have any bottle whatsoever, so skulk in the shadows hurling insults.
Never a mention of things I refer to such as AQMA Maps.and unbelievable unintelligent remarks such as "what would pollution monitoring at the interchange prove".that`s insane talk because we have a human right re EEC/UN/UK/ Government legistlation and Aarhus Convention principals to know the level of pollution which we ingest which non of the Anons have the slightest clue about.
Its totally obvious that to penetrate the infantile skulls of a number of Anons linked to TMBC its a waste of time,and sheds a bright light on the colossal ignorance of posters who do not have hundreds of HA Documents which include as I AGAIN REPEAT to the numb one`s that "they cannot envisage any action" to remedy what THEY conclude is a problem which cannot be resolved.
Most of insulting Posters are demics when it comes to having full knowledge of DfT Reports,HA Reports,EEC Legislation,Human Rights Articles,the many chemical component toxins which cause deaths,Transport modelling procedures,pollution monitoring including the electronic circuitry and technicalities of the type of instruments used which the EEC refer to as unfit for purpose.
400 pages of substantiated facts went into my Public Inquiry evidence non of which could be refuted and zero from the Seige mob who just offered seperate basic NOTES we want a ByPass.
Do not attempt to ridicule my capabilities for I hold HNC in Electronics and Electrical Engineering.Business Studies. inc Commercial and Marketing proceedures.Employment Law,Transport and Vehicle assessments qualifications.plus a very considerable knowledge of disease and fatal consequences linked to Traffic related air pollution.
I was asked to submit information to the Royal Commission on Urban Air Pollution,and communicated regularly with Sir David King the Chief Scientific Advisor to Blair who wished me every success with my pollution awareness and campaign.
I also was asked by the Manchester Local Government Office in Picadilly after the Waterside /Kingswater Public Inquiry had ended to submit a dossier to John Prescott Dept PM who had called for a Public Inquiry and wanted to read my dossier which included my findings of TMBC having a £27.5 Million sum invested in the Waterswide/Kingswater Land Owners,
which I stated was a very serious case of a Council passing plans with a huge sum of money invested in the UTIL Company concerned.
Then Prescott decided to block the
planning application.
I have all Tamesides AQMA Maps,and proof of its determination to falisfy monitoring pollution in area`s of high pollution.
J Hall

Anonymous said...

And to the Anons concerned why has no Councillor,MP or Seige Member refused for years to discuss the facts I have produced and meet me.
Running scared is one thing,not wishing to be ridiculed is another.
Gwynne and his vociferous mouth pieces prefer to be Anon,throw perpetual slanderous comments my way (non of which I take the slightest notice of)but why not defuse my facts,submit contrary evidence,and join me on the overhead bridge at the M67/M60/A57 interchange where I can validate my facts.
I ask numerous questions to insulting posters but never ever receive an intelligent response,therefore I can only conclude the Labourite dogs of war are incapable of offering a specific point response because they are too thick to know the full subject and data which they profess to know.
One simple question to Anons,no insults,no slagging off just tell me why Andrew Gwynne MP and his three local Councillors made a E.Mail declaration to a person outside Tameside stating that the M67/M60/A57 was the most congested and air polluted location in the North.
A very easy question for those of limited capabilities surely.
The TC blog site has a relatively high presence of gobby,technically ignorant,with numerous spurious deceptive comments.
Thankfully there are many with considerable intelligence who are subjective and clearly submit their point which is great.
How many insulting Anons checked out the numerous links I posted which referred to Stop The ByPass facts associated and the Transcripts shown of the PI activities.
As for my PC pal I built my own high spec high speed unit which is upgraded with hardware as and when required.
I shall not enter into stupid and unintelligent references on TC because if you still don`t get the picture then you badly need to increase your education capabilities.
I will however watch out for undue
comments which I can proceed with.
J.Hall

Anonymous said...

SIR – In my experience as a countryman, it is pheasants, which are non-native, that are more of a nuisance than our much-maligned British buzzard (Letters, May 25). These gaudy interlopers have an unerring habit of careering into car windscreens and the spokes of bicycles, at considerable expense to the vehicles’ owners.

Perhaps the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs could better spend our taxes researching the control of pheasants rather than buzzards. The exhilarating and exacting sport of clay pigeon shooting provides an adequate supply of targets for keen shooters.

I am heartened to hear from David Taylor, shooting campaign manager of the Countryside Alliance, that shooting estates “generate billions of pounds”. Perhaps he could direct me to one, which surely would not miss the cost of my smashed car windscreens and buckled bicycle wheels.


Mike Starke

Chale Green, Isle of Wight

Anonymous said...

"Do not attempt to ridicule my capabilities for I hold HNC in Electronics and Electrical Engineering.Business Studies. inc Commercial and Marketing proceedures.Employment Law,Transport and Vehicle assessments qualifications.plus a very considerable knowledge of disease and fatal consequences linked to Traffic related air pollution.
I was asked to submit information to the Royal Commission on Urban Air Pollution,and communicated regularly with Sir David King the Chief Scientific Advisor to Blair who wished me every success with my pollution awareness and campaign.
I also was asked by the Manchester Local Government Office in Picadilly after the Waterside /Kingswater Public Inquiry had ended to submit a dossier to John Prescott Dept PM who had called for a Public Inquiry and wanted to read my dossier which included my findings of TMBC having a £27.5 Million sum invested in the Waterswide/Kingswater Land Owners,"



J Hall - jack of all trades master of none.

Anonymous said...

J Hall - jack of all trades master of none.
Another brain dead pillock whats you qualifications other than talking out crap out of your arse.

Keep showing them up Hally

The road to hell said...

Anyone concerned about large scale destruction of our remaining local countryside should go to the surrounding high ground above Mottram to see the scale and extent of the rural devastation that is being promoted by the pro-bypass lobby.
The problems are congestion, pollution and noise from stationary and accelerating traffic. The best solution would be to widen the existing road and demolish a few hundred properties with a generous compensation scheme for those affected.
Why should we ALL lose this accessible, tranquil, green oasis because of a few self-interested locals.

count your blessings said...

"Why should we ALL lose this accessible, tranquil, green oasis because of a few self-interested locals"

It's called progress, and if your bright idea was genuinely viable with the exact same positive outcome on traffic flow, then by all means write to local politicians (unless you're seriously suggesting that their underlying agenda is wrecking 'countryside' for the pure sake of it).

And your concerns would be understandable if it wasn't for the fact that certain self-interested Mottram residents are lucky enough to have landed themselves properties situated right on the edge of endless acres of 'green oasis' called the Derbyshire peak district. If a rare precious green spot right in the middle of some inner city concrete jungle was under threat then you're endless wailing might garner more sympathy.

Stacey Solomon's Welsh Cousin said...

"Stay tuned in for more healthy tips"

I'm listening.

Sir Allahx Ferguson said...

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buzzard lover said...

Dear Patriot,
Immigration is at a record high despite ConDem coalition promises to slash the number of arrivals. They promised to cut net migration to under 100,000. This week it hit 252,000.
Under the Labour government, 5.2 million foreign immigrants arrived in the UK while 2 million left.

Anonymous said...

I am looking for the following information about the yearly earnings of new charter directers.
Cllr Ged Cooney's earnings from his involvement with new charter building.
This leaflet to show new charter tenants, that struggle to get repairs done. The vast ammounts of money being made by those at the top, and greedy Labour Councillors as well.
Thank You for the support of the common man.

Kieran Quinn/New Charter said...

How much does he make with his fingers in the new charter pie?

Anonymous said...

Mr Hall 22:11

"Do not attempt to ridicule my capabilities for I hold HNC in Electronics and Electrical Engineering.Business Studies. inc Commercial and Marketing proceedures.Employment Law,Transport and Vehicle assessments qualifications.plus a very considerable knowledge of disease and fatal consequences linked to Traffic related air pollution.

Best laugh I've had on this blog. And before you ask Mr Hall I've got a BSc Hons

Cooney seen here pretending to support vulnerable tenants said...

Cllr Ged Cooney as a matter of public interest, how much are you making with new charter building?
And are you one of these labour councillors behind the plot to evict a vulnerable tenant at the moment?

Vincent Ricci/New Charter said...

New charter is just a great scam, for these greedy labour front men and women to make more money for themselves........and if people can't see that fact, then sod em.

Brenda said...

Just keep it UP. We have done the asset test on the Denton trouble causer and unlike the Dukinfield menace, he has assets to lose if he gets sued for libel and slander.

J L said...

Anonymous 11:47, why's it the best laugh you've had on this blog? He simply listed his qualifications, like you did.

From Hell said...

If 'the Denton trouble causer' is sued EVERYTHING will come out in court.

The road to hell said...

@ Count your blessings, Why is destroying urban, accessible countryside 'progress'?
I never mentioned an underlying agenda, and a straightforward plan to widen the existing road is obviously achievable.
A cavalier and ignorant approach regarding the 'endless acres' of the Peak District is irresponsible in the extreme when set against the fact that England is one of the most overcrowded countries in the world. Especially with the recent news that the coalition has allowed in ANOTHER 1.2 million people in its two years in office. In other words ZERO reduction on the previous government's lunatic approach to immigration.
This means EVERY piece of Green space, especially relatively large, easily accessible ones, needs to be protected whenever possible, as they will undoubtedly come under increasing pressure from the incomers extremely high reproductive rates and need for space.

SerpentSlayer said...

Green land is more important than providing rubbish for human beings, human beings are temporary, they die, bypasses and Tescos are not a necessity of life.

We can live even better lives than we do know if we end the obsession with consumerism and zooming around tarmac smothered land.

The future will be, as the past was, concerned with the local. Local communities able to exist largely on their own, this time suplemented by the wonders of modern technology and innovations in healthcare and so on.

The Madman's Arms said...

Re local 'development': The pub demolition/transformation into housing campaign continues apace as: The Snipe in Duki is being built on; The Bay Horse in Newton is shut up tighter than Fort Knox and looks to be next; the Pineapple in Stalybridge the same; and the former Hallbottom Gate site in Newton has been advertised as having residential planning permission. That's all within a few hundred yards of where I live.
Former pubs of course are just one way of dealing with the demographic explosion in what was one of the most packed countries in the world BEFORE the last lunatic government decided to open the floodgates. Their successors in the coalition are continuing the insanity.

Anonymous said...

@Sturmbannfuhrer serpent slayer

Perhaps someone should have said that to your hero. After all, wasn't he one of the first big pioneers of the motorway?

PS - the purpose of man is to ensure that he isn't 'passing', and he only does that by continuing to advance.

State Brainwashing Department said...

Paradise on earth, Welcome to Croydon.

Internationalists INC said...

Hitler did bad and good things but he was, unquestionably, the only genuine world leader to stand up for the white race. A race now reduced to a mere 7% (and shrinking fast) of the global population.
Why is it only western Europe and North America, the former strongholds of the white race, that are having this destruction by mass immigration driven dilution, and outbreeding imposed on them.

A Civilization in Decline said...

Our people are brainwashed into accepting extinction, led by traitors and in denial. Because they can see White people all around them they view messages such as yours as 'racist' scaremongering. The fact that White people now make up less than 7% of the global population means nothing to them, nor does the fact that in every formerly white country, non-white birth-rates are outstripping white by a massive and growing ratio.

Studying Darwinian theory tells me the White race as we know it is heading for extinction and will be as good as finished by the end of this century. There will still be many scattered White people around the world, but no white countries.

We will not live to see this catastrophe, but our future generations will and they will rightly condemn us for eternity for allowing them to become a dispossessed minority in a hostile world. If the Orientals learn by our mistakes and avoid catastrophic wars they will inherit the earth.

Sturmbannfuhrer SerpentSlayer said...

The autobahnen were certainly a good way of creating work for the disenfranchised of Germany but as far as the transit of cargo goes I will always be an advocate of rail, a far less intrusive method of transport and since the death of steam far safer.

I lean towards the Alfred Rosenberg side of National Socialism, the greener, blood and soil based approach. I won't deny that I consider Adolf Hitler to be a hero of mine, Communism could be stronger than it is today if it were not for his efforts.

Anonymous said...

To Brenda Warrington who stated

Just keep it UP. We have done the asset test on the Denton trouble causer and unlike the Dukinfield menace, he has assets to lose if he gets sued for libel and slander.
27/05/2012 14:00

Your continued threats and now obvious interference into my private financial situation should disturb everyone in Tameside,because here we have a Local Government Councillor who has and is resorting to threats to my families financial security and future,threats(which I suggest are known to our local MP Andrew Gwynne)which are released on the World internet system that she and or TMBC has hacked and investigated my financial circumstances without my knowledge or permission.
These are dangerous times in Tameside when such conduct is carried out by a TMBC Councillor who then advertises such personal facts on the internet.
I will offer no further warnings
concerning this latest breach of my financial confidentiality.and I will seek clarification from the Borough Solicitor as to whether TMBC or its Solicitor have participated in this serious invasion of my family private matters.
Should GMP be assisting this Councillor in any form or manner whatsoever, the ramifications would be quite substantial for all concerned.
To those who claim or associate me directly with Councillor Warrington
I am an Ex-Labour Voter of 45 years,devoted and married for 55 years,and now approaching 80 years old,during which regardless of my employment status or home life have always since the age of 23 defended and fought for the rights of any others who need honesty,probity and accountability from anyone involved in administrating their lives,and in particular the right of children of all ages to be allowed the basic need of reasonably clean air to breathe,because since the age of 21 and ex military I have managed with considerable effort and determination to exist with partial lung functions so I DO NOT want any children to experience that hardship and will always fight vigorously for their cause as long as I live.
Snide remarks my be forthcoming but that`s always expected when someone states the genuine honest truth which is my code and I live with it,as does my family

Everyone has the right to freedom of speech,to express themselves to others,and Human Rights signify this in detail,and Councillor Warrington is at liberty to contradict me, call me names,or dispute whatever I say,but she does not have the right to threaten the financial future of my wife and family as her latest comments suggest.
I would imagine the Internet claim from Councillor Warrington recently that I was a Bigot and Anti Semitic
was definitely slanderous and which caused her to apologise was a totally irresponsible outburst but now the stakes are considerable and
no-one anywhere threatens my wife`s future financial situation,and with a very long serious heart condition
be assured I will fight my corner when my privacy is attacked.
J.Hall

J Hall fan said...

I had no idea J Hall was such a great age. He is a wonderful man and if every community had someone with the brains and determination of J Hall the borough would be a better place.

Anonymous said...

"since the age of 21 and ex military I have managed with considerable effort and determination to exist with partial lung functions"


I suppose that is why you chose to reside right beside an extemely busy and heavily congested road is it?? Not exactly the wisest choice for someone with your alleged 'condition' if you don't mind my saying.

Anonymous said...

Mr Hall27/05/2012 22:35 that's what they do best.

Deputy leader of Tameside Council supports punishment beatings said...

Mr Hall labour mafia always talk about extreme views. Yet it's perfectly ok for Councillor John Taylor to express these extreme views on the internet.

Anonymous said...

Air pollution is linked to serious health problems including heart and lung disease, cancer, premature death, and reduced lung function growth in children—deficits that may remain into adulthood. A growing body of scientific evidence points to negative health effects from ozone and fine particles at lower and lower concentrations. As a result, child caregivers should monitor pollution levels and adjust activities in accordance with expert guidance.
Having found this myself and having a 3 and 5 year old we need more like Mr.Hall in Tameside(Pam)

Anonymous said...

It is such a significant risk in Denton that the Primary Health Service have their headquarters right on the junction, at the lowest point, just where the south bound traffic joins the M60 from the roundabout.

Strange isnt it?

Brenda said...

I offer a complete and unreserved apology to the person I have previously called the Denton Trouble Causer. I was not aware of his age, he certainly does not look it. I do not wish to cause distress to him or his family. He is entitled to his opinions and I am entitled to mine and I apologise for any distress caused.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Brenda, it would be simpler to let him know that you arent who he thinks you are.

Unless, of course, he already knows that.

Crown of thorns said...

Three quarters of a million flooding into Britain every year. Their intent is to outbreed the host as quickly as possible, the past masters are the Muslims and on current stats they will win the 'womb war' easily.
Meanwhile the stupid cunts who are the Brits are busy waving their flags at an old woman with a crown. If we had a monarch who actually stood up for Britain (instead of her dynasty, the Commonwealth etc) they would be undermined by forces within and without in short order. She knows this which is why she and her family have mastered the art of going with the flow.

Anonymous said...

Anon Said
No-one would disagree that traffic pollution call cause health problems. Experts can show that but we all live in a modern society and we have to accept that.No We Do Not because
all reports state 50,000 die in the UK from air pollution related deaths so are you willing to be next?
Another Anon said:
It is such a significant risk in Denton that the Primary Health Service have their headquarters right on the junction, at the lowest point.
I had a meeting with the previous Director of Public Health at this site responsible for the Health and Welfare of Tamesiders here.She had "not a clue" what the dangers of air pollution posed to humans,and stated air pollution was not on her past agenda and not even on her future agenda,I left Epidemiological Research conclusions with her.
So when Dr.Chand became directly involved with the PCT I corresponded with him again pointimg out the serious dangers even to the PCT staff and he stated he would further respond.
That came stating he asked the PCT staff to limit their car usage driving to work.
2 accurate accounts of the medical profession negligence to an increasing world wide problem stated by the World Health Organisation who state 3 million deaths are now occuring annually from the diseases caused by Air Pollution Toxins.
Yet more local disinterested Medics in Tameside.
The Ex Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson corresponded with me quite a few times stating air pollution was established as being a danger to Public Health but it needed further investigation which is the standard response from UK Medics,regardless of American,Canadian Australian,European,Asian and South American regular (almost weekly) to the Cancers.Heart Diseases and several other serious diseases which are detailed in the Lancet Medical Publication which I receive.where the very noticeable
nil reference to any research in the UK being carried out,because the EEC after 6 years of waiting are now about to take the UK on with severe financial penalties because it has deliberately ignored all EEC and UN Directives on Air Pollution and the need to lower it.
Air Pollution remedies are a difficult problem,But deliberately increasing it with a further 40,000 vehicles placed on a ByPass down to Denton and Audenshaw is just not on because why further dose 47,000 minimum to appease a much smaller population in Mottram and Hollingworth its illogical and smacks of contempt for over 20% of the the Tameside population.

Another Anon said:I suppose that is why you chose to reside right beside an extemely busy and heavily congested road is it??
Yet another stupid comment seeing I have lived in this area for 40 plus years,well before the present vast numbers.Even before the M60 North Extension was built and opened approx 12 years ago traffic was only 60,000 per day,and since it has quickly escalated to over 375,000 vehicles daily,so I didn`t have a crystal ball like yourself indicating the huge increases with a Motorway Extension,which will certainly happen rapidly with a ByPass through Longendale and wreck that area as well.
As for the NETA Road scheme denial from another short on knowledge
poster expressing typical sarcasm which abounds in Tameside because TMBC are indeed very active in denying the truth,so tell me ANON who said:He makes reference to NETA and yet Longdendale had nothing to do with NETA and never will but Mr Hall will throw it into the debate
This type of spurious nonsense continues time after time,so tell me another ANON.
To further shut this Anon my next post which is not mine should exploded a few more truths,please refer to next Post
J.Hall
Why

Anonymous said...

Back to the ANON wishing to
ridicule facts who said
He (Hall) makes reference to NETA and yet Longdendale had nothing to do with NETA and never will but Mr Hall will throw it into the debate:

Keep showing your stupidity and try reading this which is not my blog but that of an extremely clued up and accurate person from the Longendale region who is a remarkable robust researcher.

Hands up who believes the propaganda of Tameside MBC & Longdendale Siege Committee that the Longdendale Bypass is meant to relieve the three villages of congestion? If there are any that read this weblog, then this post may make you think again. For those who already suspect it is lies, here is the evidence that seems to have lain buried, until now.

Readers of local newspapers may be familiar with one David Moore. A person of that name used to regularly write in to advocate pro bypass views, as well as launch vitriolic attacks on anti-bypass campaigners (to be fair, we could be said to be the 'anti David Moore' in that respect, as it's our style too). Some examples are here and here (notice the classic Chronicle/Daily Mail/Fascist headline for the latter - 'Minority views are not valid'). We're not sure whether or not he had any direct affiliation with the Longdendale Siege Committee, but given his views and willingness to write to the newspapers (and regularly get published) we'd be surprised if he didn't. The fact that he lives in Hollingworth makes it seem highly unlikely that he is a stranger to them.

But what can be revealed with certainty is that someone called David Moore (with the fizzog displayed above) used to work for Tameside MBC. His contact details are on this page of this website. Go on, take some time to read what the website is about.

Yes, he was the Project Manager for the North European Trade Axis (NETA), an organisation seemingly run by TMBC from their offices. He also clearly has affiliations with the North West Regional Assembly, given the alternate email address on the contact page.

So what is NETA about? Lots of things, full of awful public language, the new bourgeois coded speech. But looking at the website and the conference reports, there talk of Transpennine Corridors, and 'management of M62 traffic flows'. But next to David Moore's face on the 'welcome' page is this more intelligible blurb:

"The NETA project seeks to develop and promote a West-East Eurocorridor extending from Northern and Southern Ireland across the Irish Sea to the Transpennine Corridor of Northern England and thence via the Humber ports and North Sea to the Netherlands, North Germany, Poland and beyond"

Given that TMBC are the facilitators of this project, we can now clearly link them with a project to develop their leg of a 'braided' (their terminology) trans-european transport network: in this context 'management of M62 traffic flows' can only mean one thing - diversion of key (trade) traffic elsewhere. Clearly, leaving the M1 to avoid the M62 and thereby accessing the M60 to head to the Western ports for Ireland and vice versa.

So tell me all knowing Anon, why should TMBC be the nominated NETA administrator with its own office in TMBC Ashton Offices.
How strange that TMBC want the ByPass specifically for the three villages under seige when behind closed doors its organising meetings with scores of European
Countries.Haulage and Humberside organisations.
That quitened down considerably but if you check out the ultimate objectives of M.Flynn and Seige and Reynolds MP they always refer to a new required road system and fineally refer to the ultimate object of a ByPass through Longendale.
If you cannot see further than your nose please no more silly postings.
J.Hall

Anonymous said...

"Having found this myself and having a 3 and 5 year old"

If you're that considered about Denton's air quality sweetheart then the best option would be leave Denton entirely. Because make no mistake about it a minor bypass two towns away really is not going to amount to the difference between Auschwitz and the Swiss Alps.

Anonymous said...

I can vouch for this being correct.

What is needed by the Government & TMBC is a Bypass to create an 'M62 mark 2' linking all these locations which include the M67/M60/M6/M5/M56 on what is called in Tameside Council's Documents the "West-East Eurocorridor" from Northern and Southern Ireland across the Irish Sea to the "Transpennine Corridor of Northen England" named NETA (North European Trade Axis) in Government and TMBC circles. TMBC are the actual NETA Secretariat for all interested parties in Europe such as business organisations and Regional Authorities. At the present time there are more than 50 partners from Germany, Holland, Ireland, Poland etc, and having met in Amsterdam, the scheme has been named the "North European Trade Axis" backed by Government money and TMBC as administrators.
Freds Forecast

Numbers game said...

'A minor bypass', that will have a devastating effect on the borough's surrounding countryside. The alternative of road widening would not.

Anonymous said...

and, this international organisation with untold numbers of countries, municipalities and businesses is, according to John Hall, run by a retired teacher who lives in Hollingworth.

The same John Hall who claims this organisations sole aim is to put a four lane highway through Hollingworth to ease congestion on the Hull - Liverpool run. Now forgive me, but how far off a straight line does that take this traffic?
Ben Dover

Annes health tips said...

I will be asking the council to buy Mr Halls home and others around him,then we can build a new maternity unit on this site.
The air quality and a few mums on the wards having a fag will do the infants no harm at all.

Anonymous said...

WOW Yet another anonymous tells us
make no mistake about it a
minor bypass two towns away really is not going to amount to the difference between Auschwitz and the Swiss Alps.


A £300 Million ByPass is a minor venture,get real your knowledge is zero.
Did you read the PI Transcipts NO
Did all the Anymous Posters read them NO.
I made it my business to plough through the lot including the Highways Agency evidence.
So all the No`s are talking through their orifice`s which isn`t their mouth.
Sammy-Stalybridge

Anonymous said...

A bypass would have a number of positive effects, including improving safety on one of the most dangerous roads in the country. And the fact that it would relieve one of the worst vehicle bottlenecks in the country.

Anonymous said...

What we must always bear in mind is that no significant piece of road is ever constructed in the UK without the usual motley crew of nay-sayers.

From your swampy types who fuss over the loss of a few birch trees and seem to think human progress should (for the first time ever)have frozen circa.1955, or your armchair expert who in later life undertakes a personal crusade to defeat the evil powers-that-be.

Anonymous said...

"A £300 Million ByPass is a minor venture,get real your knowledge is zero"

Did you know that the government spends that amount of money in just three weeks on foreign aid?? Just three weeks - the cost of a bypass that people have (for decades) been crying out for.

1023 per sq mile said...

Anonymous 23:14, where's the progress in ruining our borough's countryside. Expanding the existing road is the solution in this case.

Anonymous said...

All the Anons are scratching around for anything to promote a bypass for the few countryside dwellers in longendale.
Funny how the folk in Longendale are never ever told the real truth.
Its a setup for another M62 road route and its time they knew the truth.The Anons are a pocket full of deceivers who are on a mission to destroy OUR COUNTRYSIDE not just yours because you live there,so why not move if its thats bad,or better still have a weight restriction on the A628.
You won`t even back a trial will you because if it worked as it would a North East/North West road route could never happen because
that would expose a weight restriction was in the main a viable practical solution.
Congestion is absolutely everywhere with many area`s far worse than in Longendale where few live,why not accept congestion is happening everywhere so why should you rural dwellers get any priority with your distorted claims.
These anons are a political setup
you can smell it a mile away.
Sammy (Stalybridge)

Anonymous said...

Well said Sammy, that sums it up perfectly.

Irv Rosenkrantz said...

BBC caught lying again

With the shock of the Houla tragedy ringing across the world, the BBC has released a story with a harrowing picture of rows and rows of children's bodies awaiting burial… But isn’t that post-Saddam Iraq?

Photographer Marco di Lauro who took the shot grabbed by the BBC says he nearly “fell off his chair” after finding the picture on the network’s website with a caption reading: “Photo from Activist. This image – which cannot be independently verified – is believed to show bodies of children in Houla awaiting funeral.”

The picture was actually taken on March 27, 2003; it depicts an Iraqi boy jumping over dozens of white body bags containing skeletons found in a desert south of Baghdad. The image, which is published on Marco di Lauro’s website, is part of his story Iraq, the Aftermath of Saddam.

Beware of the Ziodogs and their bought stooges trying to drag us into another war of agression using false propaganda as a tool to fool the gullible masses.

Zombarliament said...

'Congestion is everywhere', correct and with the coalition continuing the previous Labour stooge's eight year, mass, uncontrolled immigration campaign, totalling 600,000 a year (those are the official figures, the reality will be far worse) it's set to get a lot worse.

Anonymous said...

@zombaliament

actually the case for a bypass was being made decades ago, long before new labour's mass immigration social engineering scheme kicked in. So don't come that.

also - arguing against a bypass because congestion "is everywhere" is a bit like arguing against a speed camera in a speeding hotspot because "speeding is everywhere". From foreigners, to a few beech trees, to an irrelevant interchange in a different town, to grand conspiracy theories, it's plainly obvious the anti-bypass brigade will attempt to throw in everything but the kitchen sink to justify their boo-hooing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
@zombaliament
actually the case for a bypass was being made decades ago.

So why for decades has an A628 weight restriction not be tried for a 6 month period,because its been refused time after time which is very very fishy.
Many of us here in Longendale do not want a ByPass,we are not stupid because yes there is a hidden agenda linked and we know who is behind it.
There has never been for decades a case made for a bypass,because each time the issue has been raised
the evidence has been thrown out as it happened again recently.
Millions and millions and millions of pounds has been spent of Tax Payers money on a wasted case,and here we go again.
In fact you could pay everyone in Longendale a cash sum which could buy them somnewhere else and it still would not come to the amount of money already wasted over years
and years.
True Longendale Lass

Anonymous said...

Well said Lass
How many of the ByPass Supporters
campaigned for NO TESCO SUPERSTORE ??????? own up.
Non and neither did our local Politicians.
You must be blind and stupid if you do not see further lots of further congestion in Mottram when the Supermarket opens.
Come on tell us all how many of the ByPass promoters campaigned against TESCO which was backed even by MP`s.
If it was to help Longendale shoppers to get to Tesco,I tell you its much less time going to TESCO Glossop nearby.
New Mottram Observer

Anonymous said...

"hidden agenda linked and we know who is behind it."

Do bear in mind that we recently had 13 years of strong Labour government that splashed out money left right and centre like none before or since. All the while TMBC was under strong Labour control, capable of pulling more than a few strings (Roy Oldham was one staunch bypass advocate). So do forgive me, but this icke-esque pro-bypass 'hidden agenda' has had ample time and chance to come to fruition, and its total failure on that score can only be attributed to another agenda by the antis.

Perhaps it is high time that the speculation, theories, fingerpointing, accusations, busybody interference from outside individuals who do not even reside in Mottram was put to bed by a real resolution being sought. That being the people whose sole business it is (namely the residents of Mottram / Longdendale) being given the full facts both for and against, and then comprehensively surveyed so we can all have done with it. Either those many thousands of daily HGVs are to continue through that village and horrendous bottleneck or they are to bypass it. Simple.

Anonymous said...

"Come on tell us all how many of the ByPass promoters campaigned against TESCO"

Whatever the actual facts on that are, I think the addition of the tesco factor now increases the case for a bypass. Bit of an own goal there.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said.
Perhaps it is high time that the speculation, theories, fingerpointing, accusations, busybody interference from outside individuals who do not even reside in Mottram.

Another Anonymous chronically selfish person mentioning me as a busybody.
Whilst you want more money out of my pocket via Taxes while I pay for your desires,I have every right to challenge you and any others who want even more £millions from the public who have already paid for and lost completely whilst you scream for a ByPass.
Plus I have every right to block further increases of pollution being shunted down to this already decimated and environmentally degraded so that you can benefit at the expense of numerous thousand.
You typify the ByPass people who use terminology intended to frighten with "horrendous bottleneck"and "villages under siege".etc etc.
I travel to your area at least twice each week on seperate days and at separate times inc peak periods for years and never found it longer to get from the M67/to Mottram than 12- 15 minutes,then another 8- 10 minutes max to arrive at Woolley Bridge.
If that route is solid with static vehicles what the hell are all the speed signs,flashing speed indicators for along Mottram Moor.
Your circumstances are equaled everywhere in Greater Manchester,
but it seems your persistent push to regain a country style village
in the open countryside definitely indicates your severe lack of reality in 2012.
I and many others have every right to defend our locality from deliberately shunted traffic on top of our existing 375,000 vehicles.
Your selfish,arrogant and me first characteristics indicate those howling for a ByPass at anyone`s and everyone`s expense deserves to be robustly challenged.
I can even do that journey on various occasions within speed limits in 20 minutes with no "horrendous congestion"
Your dramatic over egging of what is the norm for millions now in the UK as they travel and return from work is reality,and those choosing to move and live in Glossop contribute 60% of the Mottram Moor traffic.
So you have created it but we don`t have to suffer your ByPass resultant consequence in our area.

Always remember pal we have every
right to defend ourselves from characters like you, and that`s what Human Rights is all about.

Tell me what`s your objection to a weight restriction being tried ???
or will that be dodged again and again.
Tell me did you blockade the area campaigning against Tesco,did you lodge your objections when the Plans were submitted.
Why didnt you ?? that`s called common sense if you have horrendous congestion.
Having accepted Tesco plans you have no right whatsoever to make your demands now for a ByPass,
that`s called being irrational.
Not Anon
J.Hall

Anonymous Attacks said...

I'm pretty sure that even with a 300M bypass, Mottram will have had little different out of the public pot than Denton for the building of roads, and let's not forget the amount of public money Denton had to turn itself into speedbump central.

Perhaps Johnboy Hall should draft some sort of contract, where from now on all future road building plans for Denton and its people will have to be approved by everyone residing in towns up to several miles away from Denton. Then (and only then!) should he consider himself qualified to lecture other people in other towns on what roads they are allowed to build.

Anonymous Returns said...

@J Hall

The traffic volume in Denton did not jump dramatically in the space of a year or two from sleepy village status to spaghetti junction mark two. You've had ample time to upsticks and move, and you pensioners are never without a bob or two.

Referee said...

Game, set and match to John Hall. J Hall provides concrete facts and his opponents do not. I have noticed all the illuminated slow down signs too so as J Hall said, what's the need if the traffic is always at a crawl?

Anonymous said...

Anybody observing the persistent Anons snide comments must also note they never ever answer questions about an A628 weight limit,or the Tesco major congestion bringer,the excessive use of "horrendous"or "under siege" or "we can get sucked into the vacuum created by HGV`s as they hurtle past" how the hell that happens when they are supposed to be at a standstill everywhere.
They rely on a farcical pollution monitor stuck deliberately within feet of exhausts on Mottram Moor,they never refer to the major organisations who sent legal teams to the PI to block a ByPass happening,they didn`t even bother to attend the PI,how much longer are these jokers intending to be stupid and only prefer t6o slag off anyone who defends their rights.
because they live where they are they presume to be God`s own people who must never be doubted,yet they were totally incapable of creating their own dossiers in support of a ByPass (perhaps that why they didnt attend the PI.)
They don`t like remembering the last PI was halted and forced the HA and TMBC to withdraw their evidence because it was concocted rubbish not fit for purpose according to the PI Chair.
Won`t waste my time now dealing with the tribe of Anons who never answer logical and realistic questions
Hall

Jean said...

Well done J Hall. Every community needs a champion like you.

Zombarliament said...

Anonymous 12:37, try reading my post. I was referring to congestion nationally. Which is why I didn't mention the bypass.