A new reader/viewer of this humble blog recently emailed me to say she feels too many articles, especially video articles are making Tameside look like a bad place to live. Mrs X suggests if someone from another part of the country (she uses the example of BBC personal who are likely to move to these parts from the south to work at media city) typed “Tameside” into a search engine, sooner or later they would stumble upon this blog which she claims would not be a good advertisement for the borough. I must say; she does raise a valid point and here is may personal thoughts on Tameside and they way it is administered.
I would like to start by saying I travel extensively and get about to all kinds of wonderful - and not so wonderful places. So to a point I feel qualified to make an informed judgement on how Tameside compares to other places. Some people are born, live and die in Tameside and they have very limited first hand experience of how things are elsewhere. People who fall into that category have no realistic benchmark to set Tameside against, but we all have an opinion and providing what you have to say is legal and sensible - this is the place to say it safe in the knowledge it is an open forum for discussion free from Political Correctness, censorship and vested interests.
I will lay may cards on the table right here and now by saying Tameside is a great place to live and Tameside Council is - compared to many others an excellent council (hmm, where have I heard that saying before?). Some people reading this may be thinking what a hypocrite you are - especially considering it is a Labour run council, but facts are facts and Tameside performs well in many ways. This is in no small part down to the steady hand and iron will of Britain’s longest serving council leader. Lots of people criticise him. Some of the criticism is well justified, but it cannot be denied his devotion to Tameside over many years has reaped rewards for the borough as a whole.
Let us compare Tameside to some of the truly dreadful places I have had the misfortune to work in. Close to home we have Manchester - a vile and utterly corrupt council, a council that squanders £million after £million on pet projects which benefits only a small percentage of Mancunians. Then we have Oldham and Rochdale, two terrible councils which constantly expose the managerial weaknesses of councils blighted by a large number of Lib Dim councillors which brings us nicely on to Burnley. Everything you have heard about this god forsaken town is true and more. The way Burnley channelled and still does - but to a lesser degree, money and resources to ‘minority’ communities while abandoning all others was far worse than anything ever reported in the media. Hop over the border into West Yorkshire and weep as you look at the utter desperation wrought upon the communities of places such as Keighley, Calderdale and Bradford. Move up to the Midlands and take a look at Brum or Walsall and you will be glad you live in Tameside. Head south and stop off in Luton before moving on to our capital, when there if you want to see shocking deprivation brought about by bad management and incompetence don’t go to St John’s Wood and Knightsbridge, go to the borough of Tower Hamlets and see how they do things there. There is a flip side to this of course, you could venture to places such as Henley on Thames or some of the leafy parts of Surrey and you would see the opposite, but all in all Tameside is a great place which could be infinitely worse.
Above you will see an image of a rather unremarkable, but pretty flower bed, the image may be slightly under exposed and over saturated but that is neither here nor there. The fact is the image is something many people in Tameside see on a daily basis and take for granted. It was taken outside a block of council/New Charter flats on Mancunian Rd in Haughton Green. The flower bed, one of which hundreds if not thousands of similar examples can be found throughout the borough is an example of civic pride which still exists in Tameside. You may say when I travel into Manchester, Oldham or Rochdale I see similar, and you may do - on main arterial routes, but they are window dressing only. Tameside does it for real and for everyone regardless of the fact that they may reside in the most affluent or deprived parts of the borough gets equal treatment.
Nice flower arrangements alone does not transform a borough into a success story, just as an alleyway strewn with rubbish does not declare a borough to be a disaster zone. The fact is - Tameside does far more right than it does wrong. Is that a fair analysis or have I just got a job with the councils PR department?
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Trafford Council is by far the best run council anywhere around here.
Janet, is that you??!!!!
Have you been drinking TC?
But seriously, I have often commented on how much is done in Tameside which would be done by a BNP council. At the "State of the area" address in 2007 (or was it 2008?)The film showed much of Tameside's historical sites (Park Bridge, Portland Basin) and the Duke of Lancaster's Regiment getting the freedom of the Boro'.
Mosques and similar "Enriching sites" were omitted.
Plus Cllr Oldham has spoken favourable of the towns of Tameside being "Bound together
like the Roman Axe" (AKA "Fasces")
We also have a private security force loyal to the leader (Tameside patrollers) who track down miscreants.
Plus, both Tory and Labour parties only stand ethnic minority candidates in areas where the other party usually wins...
In 2008 Labour Stood Idu Miah in Mossley, the only minority candidate
in 2007 the Tories stood Ali Reza in Labour held Hyde Godley While Labour stood Raja Miah in Tory stronghold Werneth.....While Mr Miah was put up in unwinable Mossley
You know TC, we are half way there!
For all Roy Oldham's faults it could be a lot worse. Imagine self promoting hero of the anti-'Nazis' John Taylor in charge, Mohammed wept it doesn't bear thinking about.
One of the worst things about living here is TMBC's apparent loathing of the private car manifested by the exponential growth in speed bumps (despite their official website denouncing them as obstructive to the emergency services and having the potential to injure motorists), deliberately wrongly set and unnecessary traffic lights and road 'schemes' designed to make driving as unpleasant as possible. All topped off by the ludicrous Metrolink and its extensions which will do exactly what it has done everywhere it runs on or near the road network, cause massive amounts of delay and obstruction while moving a miniscule percentage of the moving public (a bit like trains). The best way to benefit Tameside in terms of noise, pollution, the environment and the economy is to make traffic flow, not wilful obstruction, the priority.
You make some fair points but saying it's a bit better than Luton is a bit like saying it's a bit better than Johannesburg. Luton is a dump, go there if you don't believe me. It's absolutely no coincidence that's the place where our returning troops, who'd just lost several of their mates were harangued by an officially sanctioned demonstration of 'British' Muslims. Extremists? Maybe, but such a demonstration would have been not have been permitted in Tameside or any normal town/borough because the balance of local public opinion and its backlash would have prevented the authorities from even contemplating it. The tipping point in Luton and several other British towns has been reached so TC is right, for the time being at least think yourself lucky you live in Tameside.
Some thought provoking issues here but assuming TC is right about Roy Oldham being the dynamic which keeps Tameside stable, what will happen when he retires? Imagine Quinn, Cooney or Taylor at the helm!
Funny you should say that, back when I was doing Eye, I had a bloke from Sweden saying he was considering making a move to Tameside, but was slightly put off by the corruption in our politics.
David, it is worth having a look around Tameside TV for some of those videos. Look what I found here in this propaganda piece. Only one black person I found in that video. I know it sounds idiotic to raise it, but it completely contradicts their little quango T3SC who demand subliminal messages to be put in council advertising.
Whilst I am on here, I though that if the person with the recording of John Bell slagging me off, please could they send it to liam.billington@gmail.com
The reward shall be a nights worth of beer on me.
Here is the way they do it, and this is how we do it. If current trends continue it is a certainty that they will achieve their aim and then Tameside really would be a bad place (for us!) to live.
Hey Mellor Rd,
If you get that recording then let us know what he says. I hear he said a few things about Lady Knighton too. What a bell end.
Can you believe the work varification has asked to to spell out fistin. Haha.
I mean to write word verification, and not work varification. Soz
Cath Piddington is the obvious candidate to take over when Roy steps down. Only Travis would spit her dummy out if Cath gets the top job.
I agree, Cath would be the perfect candidate to take over when Roy steps down.
Taylor will make a good leader hes doing the job now.
Trafford is a good council; it is that good Janet Calendar dumped Tameside to become the Trafford chief executive. It is the only Conservative controlled council in Greater Manchester which explains why it out performs all others. When our young blood finally oust the dinosaurs Tameside will again soon return to being a well run Conservative council. Roy has not got long to go and it is obvious he has not groomed a natural successor so when he goes one of the unintelligent duffers from his party will get the top job. Soon after Tameside will experience rapid decline and this is where we step in and take over from the foundering buffoons who will be universally unpopular.
"where we step in and take over "
Not with the results your party has been getting recently in Tameside!
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TC, I believe you have missed the elephant in the living room.
Tameside has far fewer "ethnic minorities" than Oldham or Manchester.
Look in both council by-elections the Conservatives used the bin collection service and car parking a major item for their campaign.
Despite me and others objection to these items the silly sods went ahead.
Car parking is vote loser huge amount of car parking revenue goes to local charities, Tameside is one of the best at recycling our waste so guess what, our dinosaurs ploughed on with the campaign.
When the younger ellement take over you will see a big change we will campaign on real issues.
I see someone has been posting as Stacey again you sad sad bastards
I didn't make the above comment. If the above poster has something to say, at least have the balls to use your own name.
Idiots mate!
It would be interesting to know what Stacey, Gareth and Tom think of Liam being thrown out of the party.
It would be even more interesting to know what she thinks of the Gay Mafia operating in the party.
I don't refer to human beings as "gay mafia".
We're all very unhappy about the way Liam has been treated. John Bell has behaved terribly. We all think he's a childish drama queen who at his age should know better. He's an appauling leader and none of us aspire to be anything like him. We had enough of bullies when we were at school.
CF in the know ha ha you're not even in the tory party.
Try harder next time as that is the shitest wum i have ever seen
SS, (no I'd better not) you're right that is a factor but like all elephants in the room it must never be mentioned.
What's wrong with calling the puffs the 'gay mafia'? It doesn't make them any less 'human'. Self interested cliques of any kind are death to political parties. They don't deserve less criticism because of their choice of lifestyle.
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The arrogance! "They" don't like it so "They" will stop it!
"They" will find it a lot harder than "They" imagine!
I have been away since last Wednesday can anyone let me know the result of the Denton by election, I know it will be Tory victory because of all the by elections they keep winning and the national polls say they have a 20 point lead.
How many did they win by ?
Been away? From the planet earth?
Madrid,Spain, Aug 3, 2009 / 12:36 pm (CNA).- The president of the Institute for Family Policy in Spain, Eduardo Hertfelder, noted last week that the population in the European Union has reached 500 million, but he warned that this is due more to immigration than to the number of births, as 8 out of every 10 inhabitants of the EU are immigrants.
“It has been a population increase due almost exclusively to immigration and in addition, it has been a population increase among adults that has led to the average age of the European population increasing almost two years in this decade,” Hertfelder said, referring to the fact that Europe has “775,000 less births per year than 25 years ago.”
He pointed out that Spain is the country that has most contributed to the increase in the number of inhabitants of Europe, followed by France and Italy, but he noted that of the 6.8 million new inhabitants in Spain, “more than 4.8 million were immigrants, which comprises 72% of the growth.”
“In fact, more than four fifths of the growth is due to immigration. Without this contribution from immigration, the population growth both in Spain and the rest of the EU would have almost been insignificant,” he explained.
However, he warned, what is most troubling is that in depending almost exclusively on immigration because of the low birthrates in the EU, the average age among Europeans is now 40.3, “that is, the average age in Europe has increased two years in just five years.
What was that Enoch said about building the pyres of our own destruction?
You missed it all while you were away The Tories came first won by 1,300 votes Floyd and his dynamic team had 20 party workers out day and night.
UKIP came second they also had a dynamic team out lots of workers on the streets,we are told they were that keen they forgot what time voting ended,and were still out door knocking up til 11.30 and missed the count.
A united Tory campaign team then went off to the Tory club for some community singing "land of hope and glory" could be heard bellowing from the club into the early hours.
Lets hope we have another by election soon.
Lucy's right - I was there too. What a great night for Tameside Tories as well as UKIP.
Time to wake up from that dream.
Oh sorry I meant nightmare
talk about me again!
Manchester Council have done a particularly effective job in Little Somalia, sorry Fallowfield. They're the ideal immigrants with an 89% unemployment rate and a savage knife culture to boot.
Why are so many people obsessed with Stacey Knighton and Roy 'Fuck off back to Krautland' West ( you've got to admit it was funny)? I still don't understand how he was done for 'racial' abuse as Germany is multi-ethnic. Losing your temper through provocation and/or not being particularly fond of certain nationalities isn't racist it's just a fact of life. I find a lot of French people rude and arrogant. His real 'crime' was being a prominent BNP member.
As for Stacey she fills a pair of jeans and is ultra ambitious, neither of which are crimes either.
Is anything constructive ever written on this blog?
he pleaded guilty, wasn't found guilty
I am reliably informed by a Boyds Walk resident that Mr West was advised to plead guilty by his solicitor and apparently took this advice. A mistake in my view. With better legal advice and a bit more courage in his convictions he might well have been found not guilty as his neighbour Herr Kugow was of the same ethnicity.
Mr Hatton, the BNP is in some ways a DEstructive Party as they want to destroy many parts of the liberal, pro-Europe, pro-one world order, pro-immigration, chronically soft on crime, anti-national identity ethos that reigns in the corridors of power. Once this has been achieved they will reconstruct Britain into a recognizable, more traditional and orderly society similar in many ways to how it was in the late Forties but with all the advantages that modern science and society has brought us.
Don't blame the lawyer.
He made a free choice of his own will to plead guilty. Being such an important cog in the BNP engine he would have had advice from a lawyer in the know.
I.D,
Your defence of the BNP sounds like a lecture from a Hitler Youth meeting. There's no need to worry though because the BNP are never going to wield any sort of governmental power in this country. Let's face it, we have sky-high levels of immigration and we're in (going out of?) one of the worst recessions we've ever had. It is in times like these that the BNP should be delivering councillors/euro MEPs by the bucket load. In truth, you didn't receive many more votes than previous years and your support in places like Denton North East is temporarily inflated by the economic climate. Your optimism is laughable.
On another, slightly different note: how does the BNP reconcile their commitment to 'all the advantages of modern science'and still perpetuate that non-whites are inferior to whites which has been scientifically disproved?
Tom
Nearly 4 months pass with the attack on my wifes step-son on Ashton canal by two thugs, and the police finally ask Mark to look at some photos at the police station.
Yet the police fall over themselves to get to my house armed with cameras to get photos of Enoch Powell. You end up with the ridiculous situation, where the police are going round your house taking photos of anything with a flag on it. One copper picked up the Enoch Powell dvd saying 'this could be racist.'
The other copper said to my wife, 'he's been posting these racist leaflets.' The police came to intimidate my family. What possible evidence is a kitchen mirror? One call from my paranoid neigbhour and three vans are sent round. He sees a flag in my garden and he goes off his head 'it's because I'm German. You can't show any sign of English pride in case you upset your paranoid German neighbour. Then the police turn up armed with cameras to take photos of vital criminal evidence furniture and kitchen mirror ect...
Why did you plead guilty Roy if you were innocent?
Since the court case was put to bed, my neighbour asked if I would help paint his fence. With offers of a lift in his car anytime, I'm such a threat to them you know. They sent a letter to the police saying, the matter should be dropped and not to go to court. Susan Holt said in her statement of her fear that I would hurt her dogs. (wicked lie) Why would they invite someone with such wicked intentions into their house to drink beer? Susan Holt said in her police statement, the flags in Roy's garden are a problem, because we don't want visitors to our house to think that we are a part of a racist set up. This is just bullshit nonsense. My German neighbour went to court and told a lie about the flag being on his property. Their statements were made up of bullshit lies, I shouted abuse over the fence but not before my neighbour told me what he thought about me in abusive terms.
Mr Walker my solicitor took me out of the court room and told me. 'Look your fucked, I think you need to plead guilty.'
No excuse, you pleased guilty and for ever more you will be known as a convicted racist. The BNP do not recognise politically motivated convictions, that is convictions gained by using illegitimate thought crime legislation and when in power those convicted will be overturned but Herr West is unique insomuch as he admitted to a crime to which his own party does not recognise. He could have joined the list of persecuted British martyrs by standing up against tyrannical laws introduced with the sole intention of suppressing freedom of speech for indigenous Britons, however, for reasons only known to himself he admitted he was guilty and in doing so admitted that we are a different race than Germans - complete insanity!
Mr Hatton, you are right to a point. The BNP will never gain power by winning a general election. The BNP, or to be more precise the nationalist movement will come to power on a tide of nationalist revolutionary fervour. Don't believe me? Wait til the first dirty bomb goes off and then watch what happens. The people encouraged to settle in this country by your party along with Labour were responsible for the 7/7 outrage. 7/7 was nothing compared to what they have planned. Remember what I have told you as events unfold in the future.
Mr Walker.
The night before the court case I was in their house drinking their beer. It was an exercise in telling me how bad I was for being BNP candidate and posting leaflets. Mr Kugow told me how that the Nazis used the mentally ill to do their dirty worked for them. He said that the alternative of me not pleading guilty would mean a terrible time in prison. On this same night before the court case, Mr Kugow's advice was to go there in the morning and show remorse. If I did not, the court would throw the book at me. Actually his words were that the court would crucify me. Mr Kugow as got what he wanted, and thats power over me. He told me a few months back 'if you want trouble we'll give you trouble.' They went to new charter to get my wife and her son thrown onto the streets.
No excuses just getting some facts down..............................
Waiting for the inevitable... (can't you pick a shorter name?)
I accept that the dogmatic pursuit of multiculturalism by this Labour government has helped British-born Muslims get to the point whereby they blow up the Tube. That's true, and I agree with you on that. The Conservatives have always believed in a unifying British culture (hence our name: The Conservative and Unionist Party)which is proud of its heritage but one which can be multiracial, not necessarily multicultural.
The issues of race, culture and identity do need to be sorted out for the sake of our soceity. Forgive me, but I can't see how any BNP policy would help solve that issue.
Wise words Tom, what an impressive and intelligent young man you are. The problem is Tom, it was not just Labour – but admittedly they are by far the worst offenders, who created the multicultural quagmire in which many people now dwell. Successive Labour and Conservatives administrations have presided over the large scale third world immigration invasion and the one issue which riles me more than any other – they both carried it by stealth. Neither party said to the British people – vote for us at the next general election and we promise to ‘enrich’ your communities by opening the immigration floodgates. Instead they got elected on issues of taxation, public spending and all the rest hype we have heard for so many years. Do you really believe the British people would have voted for million upon million of non-assimilable third world migrants to be invited into our country? It is my opinion that mass immigration has been the most devastating con to be imposed on our nation in its entire history. If you strip away the obvious bull “we need migrants to carry out the work lazy Brits wont” “migrants bring enterprise and vibrancy to dull communities” “we owe it to them because of what we did when we had the empire”. The thing is Tom, when we were a great nation, a nation entitled to add ‘Great’ to her title, you know, back in the days when Britannia ruled the waves, back in the days when a quarter of the globe was British administered, in the days when British industry was the envy of the world, in the same days when you could say you were proud to be British, in those days Tom, we were an homogenous nation. We were self sufficient and we did not third world immigrants to the jobs we were too ‘lazy’ to do. Make no mistake, mass immigration has been sneaked in by stealth then enforced with a rod of iron because its sole aim is to benefit the ruling elite – none of which we are.
Thanks for you kind comments Tom for PM.
I definitely think the main parties (particularly recently) have committed an injustice by not addressing the issue of immigration. Any sane politician must understand that unrestrained immigration makes no sense (economically or socially).
In all fairness, the Tories under Michael Howard (it was he who inspired me to join the party) attempted to address the issue in the 2005 election but we were condemned as racist and 'lurching to the right'. I genuinely believe that the only party which will address the immigration issue is the Conservative Party.
Then of course, we've got the immigration from the EU which we can't stop, but that's a whole other issue.....
I met his lawyer, you didn't. He gave bad advice, Roy's mistake was to take it.
Micheal Howard bottled it, just like a lot of namby pamby liberals do on here, including the so called far right BNP.
Who do you think is out there fighting the extremist Muslims , these extremist would be over here blowing us up in large numbers if it wasnt for them.
Get real 9/11 changed the world and some world leaders took up the challenge and some bottled it.
Make no mistake the Tories would have done the same had they been in power hence the support they gave the Government, you would not have expected the Lib Dems to have done anything but sit on the fence that's why they will never be in power.
The BNP put out some of worst statements you will ever see on this issue talk about traitors what they would do is give into the terrorist, the facts are the terrorist would increase their activity if these yellow bellies were in power.
The world ignored the Fascist in Germany at first and look what happened,these fascist now want to England to be insular and ignore the rest of the world give into the terrorist, they say bring the troops home.
A bunch of whinging yellow bellies with no idea of world affairs,yet these yellow bellies fly of to the USA to meet their friends these friends give their troops 100% support.
What do you think will happen when the troops come home, I guess the Taliban would just go back to crops or sheep herding lay down there arms and let the world drift by.
Afghanistan and Iraq were and still are areas where terrorist are trained, trained to kill us, thank God some of you on here are not in charge and the BNP will never be making decisions on our National security or foreign policy.
You stick to posting about puffs as you call them and small political issues, leave the big boys stuff to the big boys.
Mr Hatton, you state that in economic times like these the BNP should be doing better, then state they didn't get many more votes in the European elections than previous years, then totally contradict this by stating BNP support in Denton was 'inflated' by the economic climate. In fact the BNP Euro vote went up significantly (from 808,200 to 943,598) despite a 3.6% reduction in the turnout.
Over the last few years the BNP has massively increased its support, vote, membership, and activist base, not to mention the vast organisational restructuring it has undertaken. They now have well over 100 councillors. Last year Richard Barnbrook was elected to the 25 member London Assembly. Two months ago they gained three county councillors, one of the most difficult electoral levels to win at. They also of course made the unprecedented step for a true British nationalist Party of getting two MEP's elected in the face of a vicious liberal establishment/media witchhunt of unprecedented proportions.
The BNP does not believe in racial supremacy but there are average differences between the ethnic groups, particularly in terms of behaviour and outlook, a subject which every other Party is to gutless to even discuss.
Every major international study has proven negroes, on average, are less intelligent than whites and whites less intelligent than certain oriental groups, the Japanese in particular. Facts should be up for discussion not suppressed by cowardly, politically correct hysteria.
The BNP does nor believe in racial supremacy, I have read some shite on here over the past year,this statement beats them all.
UAF, state when the BNP have advocated a policy of racial supremacy.
I read it on the internet and we know about the plans to turn human beings into soap.
Mr Hatton, 'one which can be multiracial, not necessarily multicultural'. Are you for or against multiculturalism? And you cannot be seriously stating there is no connection at all between race and culture.
Then, 'we've got the immigration from the EU which we can't stop'. Mr Cameron could stop it by giving us the referendum he PROMISED, but then his word's worthless.
The referendum is not going to happen. The Internationalists only hold referendums when they know they can win.
will the BNP/UKIP be fielding candidates in all wards next May?
If they merged - yes, but Farage and John Cooke are far too respectable to merge with the BNP, however they dn't mind courting the hardcore European Neo-Nazis who happen to be MP's.
Bluebottlers.
Let me clarify my beliefs:
1) I am utterly opposed to multiculturalism but I am not opposed to blacks, asians and non-whites assimilating into a British culture. There is of course a connection between race and culture and that connection is not going to break, but I still stand by my belief that Britain's culture is a great one that needs defending from unrestrained, politcally-correct policies of the Labour government.
2) I believe Cameron's line on the EU is weak; I favour total withdrawal from it.
Does that clarify things?
No surrender, extremists would find it a lot harder to 'blow us up' if our troops were brought home to defend our island. There is not nor ever has been a defined goal in Afghanistan. Massive and increasing numbers of terrorists now train over the border in Pakistan. You're right 9/11 changed the world but an unfocused and indefinite foreign campaign is not the solution.
You state the BNP would give in to the terrorists whereas the truth is a BNP government would massively increase punishment for terrorist and terrorism related offences, (and crimes in general)
a real deterrent.
There is nothing 'insular' about putting Britain and the British first.
I assume by your 'puffs' comment you're pro 'gay' rights. Fine that's your opinion, all the BNP want to do is promote traditional family values - the proven best recipe for social stability - and stop the promotion of homosexuality. You may not think
PC teacher's groups supporting the checking for signs of 'effeminacy' in five year old boys is a 'big' issue, many people consider such proposals to be extremely dangerous, warped and evil.
As for leaving the 'big boys stuff to the big boys', judging by the present ruinous state of the country the 'big boys' appear to be as utterly inadequate in their direction of the 'war on terror' as they are in their direction of the economy.
I.D. My statement about votes was in reference to the European elections; the increase in vote was so marginal that it was negligible. If the vote soared from say 8 millon to 15 million then that would be a success.
Also, the BNP have never stood in Denton North East before so I had nothing to compare the recent results with. However, I think 358 votes is substantial considering the BNP vote came from nowhere and I put this down to the vote being 'inflated' due to the economic climate.
Tom, be careful what you say regarding race and ethnicity - it can come back to haunt you in the future. Stick to non-controversial issues for any easy passage into politics.
Watcher - thanks for the advice. However, I've no intention of going into politics at the moment. There's no way I'm going to work back-breaking hours; neglect my family; and lose much of my free time. I might fo for the easy life and go into the Church :)
Mr Hatton, that's not clarification, it's the statement of your beliefs to replace the 'fudge' you avowed earlier. 'Weak' is another piece of sophistry, Cameron's position is fundamentally dishonest as you well know.
"Cameron's position is fundamentally dishonest as you well know"
That's utter tosh! Cameron may be much more liberal than you and me but his braodly eurosceptic stance has been consistent with his political actions. for example, you will know about the new euro-sceptic grouping *he* spearheaded and he has pledged a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty actually.
You can call Mr Cameron many things, but he has definitely been brave, consistent and totally honest in his dealings with Europe.
Where's your evidence to the contrary?
Mr Hatton, you haven't addressed the fundamental inconsistency in your remarks i.e. 'the BNP didn't do particularly well in the European elections despite the terrible effects of the recession' (my quotation marks). Virtually all impartial observers and political anaslysts would agree that their vote increased significantly, and with a reduced turnout. Similar factors applied in the Denton North East election 56 days later in which you concede economic circumstances played a part in a good BNP result.
Mr Hatton, you yourself said Cameron's position was 'weak' and then say he has been ' brave consistent and totally honest' on the issue. Pure inconsistency. As for evidence he recently stated with utter feebleness,' We may not be able to have a referendum' whilst referring to possible outcomes of referenda and debates in Ireland and other EU countries.
I.D, there is no inconsistency in my remarks. I said they 'should be delivering councillors/MEPs by the bucketload'. They haven't done that. The European elections saw the BNP get less than 7% of the vote. Their vote didn't increased substantially - it increased by a mere 1.3 %.
Similarly, in a place like Tameside which has many immigrant communities the BNP have failed in two successive by-elections to get a councillor elected. There evidence is there ID: the BNP are failures and have peaked.
Tom, it takes guts to mention race. I've no doubt you've got a lot more than the jellyfish in troughminster but it can kill a career stone dead while the loonies hold sway in the corridors of power.
Blue bottlers,
Cameron's position is weak compared to mine. It's a watered down take on real euroscepticism - it's weak in that sense. It's weak in the sense that it will not solve the European question. It's weak in that his position will not address the problems of the EU project.
However, one cannot deny that he has swum against the tide by setting up his own group. He has been decisive and honest in pursuing his version of euroscpeticism - he has been lambasted in the press for his actions.
Therefore, Cameron can act bravely and honestly on his weak strand of euroscpeticism. There's no contradiction there.
Apart from St Peters ward the ethnic population of Tameside is extremely low. In HydeNewton and Denton North East in particular the proportion is miniscule. Your 'analysis' of the European election results is at variance with the facts hence the despair and horror from the PC brigade and thug groups like UAF and Searchlight. Ask them if they think the BNP result was a 'failure'.
Mr Hatton, my advice is stop digging and reconsider your position.
Cameron should stop prevaricating and 'forming groups' and come out and openly state he 'WILL' give us the referendum he promised. If he'd done it just before the European election UKIP would have been destroyed and the Tories could have gained another ten seats.
Blue bottlers. Mr Cameron's and the Conservative's position is clear:
There *will* be a referendum, unless the treaty has been ratified by the time the Conservatives take power.
Can't get clearer than that. Whether or not we agree with it is irrelevant. Mr Cameron has been consistent, wants the referendum that he and all Labour MPs promised and has been campaigning for it. his position is clear. What's prevaricating about that?
Mr Hatton, in your last comment you have summed up Mr Cameron's position exactly, it's 'Not me Guv.' He is desperately hoping the Irish can be bullied into coming back with the 'right' answer this time and that the Czech and German problems will be resolved before the general election so he can employ his 'Not me guv' master strategy. Anyone with any regard for democracy would have pilloried the European Union for the fascistic way they responded to the Irish No vote. He did nothing PROVING his mendacity and pro-European credentials.
There is no reason at all, whether the treaty/constitution is ratified or not why the British people could not have the referendum they were promised.
Mr Cameron is also a signed up supporter of hard left clawhammer wielding violent thugs Searchlight/UAF who regularly try to subvert the democratic process, to prove his right on credentials. Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher going within a million miles of such an organisation.
Cameron's true nature can be summed up by one word in relation to our right to a referendum: 'unless'. He sees it as his get out clause.
This blog has been reported to the police and will be no more in exactly nine days. It has been blight on the borough of Tameside since its inception and the sooner it has gone and the racists who post here jailed the better.
STD, you're the disease.
Once again more shite on here anyone who thinks there is going to be a referendum on the new treaty is in cloud cuckoo land.
Cameron and the Tories only promised this because they knew it was popular,Blair did the same both know that if put to a National vote a massive NO would be the outcome, Cameron will still promise a vote if elected he will find an excuse not to go ahead with it.
A NO vote on the treaty will open a can of worms for any of them demands for a vote on our membership would be called for.
Despite Tory opposition within the party the majority of the MPs are in favour of our continued membership,its the same with Labour the only party with very little opposition to our membership is the Lib Dems they have been consistent pro Europeans for many years.
The Lib Dems would not push for any referendum about Europe none of the partys would, because they all fear a massive no vote,the issue of our membership was the only issue on the original referendum, what would trigger the massive no vote now is the way we have been tricked into the United States of Europe and how this country looks to be the only one who obeys the stupid rules forced onto us.
UKIP only make progress in European elections and its because of their one issue policy they do so well, they pick up the protest vote, ask anyone to name any of their policies you will only get one answer.
The BNP have jumped onto the anti European bandwagon if they had more right wing party's like them in the European parliament they would also be like Brown and Cameron wanting to keep us in at all cost.
I don't understand how anti European party's can morally stand in these elections and take the huge salaries that go with it, or is that what attracts them? maybe.
I am not aware of any European politician speaking about abolishing the parliament when they arrive there and forcing a vote.
Dream on if you think we are having a referendum don't listen to any excuses our parliament can call one only time it wants to signed treaty or not, we are the mugs of Europe people flock here to claim social benefits we have work hard to pay for, people flock here for health care we work hard to pay for, criminals flock here for sanctuary and we work hard to keep them ,no other country in the world will put up with what do and most of this is down to our membership of the European economic community.
Give me a list of other countries who have to put up with what we have to put with, list me the countries that comply with European laws and finally let me have a list of countries that take any notice of the Human rights act brought in by Lawyers to benefit lawyers and criminals and terrorist.
The Irish showed the way huge pressure is now being placed onto them to try and reverse their vote ,these people are amongst the biggest benefactors of membership of the union, so why did they reject this treaty ? its another treaty to far and they saw their country being taken over.
Hey Tom what do you say to your party leaders support for a bunch of rag bag left-wing violent thugs (UAF)?
Cammy supports us because we oppose the nasty rascist scum bags in the BNP.
But the UAF attack children and burn down peoples homes. And attack people with hammers don't you know!
The main thing that 9/11 changed was that New Yorkers realised that terrorism was not cool but nasty.
For nearly 30 years more money came out of New York and Boston to fund terrorism in the UK (Remember the IRA?) EACH MONTH than came out of Pakistan or Afghanistan in the whole of the 30 year period. IF ANY CAME OUT AT ALL in that period.
And yet UK governments still slavish send other people's sons to fight and die in the Middle East for the interests of the USA and Israel.
Nick Griffin was prosecuted for stating that the first bomb attack by a muslim would not come from an imported terrorist cell but from a home grown terrorist from somewhere like Bradford
He was wrong...by 7 miles. They came from Leeds
Islamification what does that mean to you? An end to free speech maybe? An end to all things English/British? The end of the Christian way of life?
When the Brits get some guts once again, that will see the revival of all thigs British
I voted no, you'd better give Dignitas a ring if you've given up. Or you could check out the BNP website and find out what their position on Europe REALLY is.
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