An interesting leaflet which will certainly polarise opinions in the Stalybridge South ward. Fox hunting is a highly emotive subject and by Labour giving it such prominence on this leaflet - they may very well manage to mobilise habitual non-voters who feel passionately about this subject. Basil may have a real fight on his hands at the next elections.
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Dear TC you are true to your word and I thank you, you have shown compassion as a human and put aside you political opinion.
Fox hunting is out dated and indeed inhumane.
thank you
against fox hunting
I totally agree that there is a need for a pedestrian crossing at Bowerfold, as a fan of Stalybridge Celtic it is dangerous crossing the road. I am surprised that the local Councillors have not addressed these issues before
The foxhunting ban is wrong on so many levels:
(1) it undermines the principle of the rule of law as it is too intrusive and thus breaks the social contract (for those of you into Rousseau, Locke et al) upon which our liberal democracy is based.
(2) it encourages an inhumane death, i.e, shooting them; and
(3) it is yet another attack on our struggling rural economy.
That of course is without mentioning the cost of policing/investigating alleged incidents and the whole class war argument.
A principle of law is a codified philosophical ("principle"), which represents the core of a law as found in a constitution, in precedent, or else is interpreted to arise from either or both.
The Governement a constitution set a precedent Tom, WHO when this ban came out was still playing with his toys and pissing through his pubes. You Tom worry me serial killers hurt little animals, as for it killing of the rural economy I would sooner talk my two little girls in to the country side now then five years ago for fear they would witness a pack of dogs ripping apart another animal for fun, oh sorry to protect grouse eggs which you little tory boys then shoot.
Foxes die a horrible death when caught by hounds. They are caught from behind by the leading hounds and ripped to pieces whilst still alive. The lie put forth by hunters that foxes are killed instantly by a quick bite to the back of the neck was exposed by post mortems at Bristol University for evidence presented to the Burns Inquiry into Hunting with Dogs. These examinations revealed profound trauma by repeated dog bite, little tissue damage in the head, neck and shoulder region but pronounced damage to the ribcage and the thoracic organs, with damage to the abdomen, hindquarters or chest probably being the cause of death. Foxes that attempt to run to ground often find their lair has been intentionally blocked and those that manage to escape underground are frequently dug out and beaten to death with a spade, before their "brush" is cut off in a traditional form of weird ceremony.
But foxes are not the only victims of this barbaric activity. Hounds that reach middle age and those that are disinclined to follow the scent are destroyed and there are numerous incidents where horses and hounds are injured and killed during the chase. It has also been known for hounds to mount a frenzied attack on domestic pets.
p.s well done Labour victory is a comming to stalybridge south and you thought he was paper ha ha ha
fox hunting in Brushes confirmed it true it happens all the time.
we need to stop it and report it...
well done TC for backing this campaign......
I Have just got home and there is a leaflet and christmas card from the Labour candidate, stop killing the foxes in Brushes and I Agree with the pedestrain crossing...
copley will vote for ky this year
tc if you had not brought this to our attention we would never have known well done we are proud of you both.
Dear Tom are you going on Boxing day to Brushes I do hope so...
I might let my dog rip you to pieces and then see if you agree with it.
Tories Awake, if your not careful you'll lose this seat to new Labour.
Action This Day.
Basil has got a fight on his hands but not from Labour, There are alot of Tory sick of Basil and Co and now they would sooner vote for a party that are for the green green grass of home. THE BNP ARE GOING TO WIN STALYBRIDGE SOUTH.
I've not decided who will stand where yet, Stalybridge South not sure.
ARE YOU MAD ROY THEY WOULD DESTORY LABOUR. THE CONSERVATIVES ARE LAZY AND THINK THEY ARE SAFE BUT YOU WOULD GET YOUR VOTES FROM BOTH THE ESTATES AND THE TOFFS WHO HIDE IN FEAR FOR WHAT WE SO PROUDLY BELIEVE IN...... IF YOU DONT PUT A CANDIDATE THERE THEN I WILL STAND AS AN INDEPENDENT BNP I KNOW UKIP ARE INTENDING TO. DO YOU AGREE IN FOX HUNTING ROY BY THE WAY
No I hate it, always have! ever since I saw one being ripped apart on a farm in Yorkshire. If you've ever seen this, then you'll know what I am saying.
I agree with Ky FOXHUNTING is evil help Ky take the Tory seat and stop fox hunting in Brushes.....
its cruel why should you hunt a thing that live and breaths how would you like it if you got shot by a gun and hunted by dogs its a nasty sport and the hunters should feal ashamed
In an average fox hunting season:
Foxes killed: 15,000 (36% by digging up by terriermen)
Humans killed (in accidents): 3
Pups and hounds killed: 6,000
Veterinary fees for horses: £15 million
Injuries to hounds: 1,000
Injuries to those on foot (including sabs): 500
Total blood spilled: 1 ton plus
Policing costs (paid by taxpayers): Over £1 million.
Cubhunting is the secret side of foxhunting and is the process by which young, inexperienced hounds (the 'new entry') are taught to chase and kill foxes.
When hunters go cub hunting they meet secretly early in the morning or shortly before dusk. They hunts are not publicised and only invited supporters are present. Their task is to ensure very few cubs escape. Those cubs that do escape learn to run from the hounds for the rest of their lives, to provide good 'sport'.
The hunters arrive at a small copse, or 'covert' where it is known that a family of foxes is living. The pack - a mix of experienced dogs and inexperienced dogs - is put into the wood. Puppies join the pack at about 18 months to replace older dogs that are considered no longer useful and are destroyed. thousands of adult hounds and unsuitable puppies are shot dead by the hunt every year.
Once the pack is in the wood, the trees resound with the yelps of the hounds chasing the frantic vixen and cubs around the undergrowth. The cubs will try and flee the wood but can be frightened by hunt supporters shouting and slapping their saddles to scare them back into the jaws of the hounds. This practice, 'holding-up', still occurs in some parts of the country. The vixen, frantic with fear for herself and concern for her young family, will run back and forth. But the sheer number of hounds will eventually defeat her and she too may lose her life.
Every Labour Member down in Labour-ville Liked elections a lot...
But the Tory Grinch Basil , who lived just South of Labour-ville, Did NOT!
Basil hated Elections! The whole election season! Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
But, whatever the reason, His heart or his shoes, He stood there on Election Eve, hating the Labours who’s,
Staring down from his mansion with a sour, Grinchy frown at the warm lighted windows below in their town. For he knew every Labour who down in Labour-ville beneath Was busy now, hanging a mistletoe wreath.
And they're hanging their stockings! Basil he snarled with a sneer,Tomorrow is election ! It's practically here!
Then he growled, with his Grinch fingers nervously drumming,
I MUST find some way to stop this election from coming!
For, tomorrow, he knew... .All the Labour Who girls and boys would wake bright and early. They'd rush for their ballot papers And then!
Who 11: Oh, the noise! Oh, the Noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
better get your act together basil
Thanks for posting the information. It truly is a vile practice. Would it be a fair assumption that people involved in fox hunting would also engage in Badger hunting? I take my dog on long walks - sometimes very late at night or early in the morning. I know of three badger setts around the Denton area and late one night we (the hound and I) had a strange encounter with a group of men in Denton Woods. It was not possible to identify them but they had a number of lurcher and terrier dogs with them - as well as powerful torches. I thought they may have been badger hunting but I could never prove it.
This leaflet is a fake nice try but there it is.
TC there is a lot of hunting that goes on badger hunting is a good way of making your dog strong enough to fight another dog it deemed as good training. it is sick and you should be proud of yourself for supporting this leaflet I doubt it is fake this Ky fella seems right for the job maybe it is time for change in Stalybridge South and it would even the balance which is better for the ward.
how is it a fake??? if you live in south look out for it in the next couple of days I know there is a team posting them because I have seen them it also comes with a christmas card...
Oh well as long as it comes with a Christmas card, we can sleep in our beds knowing that Britain will sink, but at least we've got our card.
Support Ky's Campaign we want a crossing at Stalybridge Celtic....
all members of Stalybridge South vote for Ky and help him win so we can finally end the Tory Post code lottery, I mean look around I went for a grit box to get some grit and there was not one in sight. pasted Mottram road every corner had one... what is all that about...
Britian is out of the reach of Ky but I believe he could sort out Stalybridge South,
I was speaking to this ky candidate the other day he called me at home to ask if there was anything he could do to help in the area I live in, I challenged him about National issues and he responded well, it is not for him to make national decisions, but elected members of the Governement.
Ky was more concerned with what he could do locally to help all the area. I Will not be voting for him nonetheless for I am Conservative and always will be, however I do agree with his fox hunting ban and also the pedestrian crossing even though personally I am Hyde United fan. My children go to School in Longdendale and it would be much safer. I will back his campaign but not Labour, Just wish you were the Tory Candidate.. Basil has become stagnent in his role sadly.
In the name of Allah stop them slitting the throats of fully conscious animals by the hundreds of thousands every day.
Stop Halal barbarity, now!
Roy you could not even afford to stand on one leg let alone Stalybridge South or any other ward for that matter. you have not got a pot to piss in.
It was only a matter of time before little Lord Fauntleroy had his say on the the barbaric fox hunting debate, but don't expect to much from the Tory Toffs they have been advised to keep a low profile in some areas on this issue and Tameside is one of them, they know the vast majority are against.
Fauntleroy will be called into the study soon for a bagging and if the gay mafia have their way he will called in for another public school custom.
IS THAT A HOT CRUMPET WEDGED BETWEEN HIS LITTLE GLOWING BOTTOM.
I am disappointed that the torries have indeed been told to keep quiet on this subject. Just shows you that they are all a bunch of sneaky Toffs with a hidden agenda.
hoping the day that Doreen no longer has to wear clive patrick around her neck and instead can done her fox cub gloves, hat and, scarf, for the big boxing day shoot off. it is a disgrace, it will be time for change in south
Doreen you break out the mink if you want and tell Basil he does not have to worry about the candidate for stalybridge South he is just trying the spin they did not even post the first leaflet let alone a second one. the Labour party know better then to waste good money on the People who wont vote, and as for the foxes let get rid of them, there vermin
Labour are so desperate they've brought class war out of the closet. Pathetic bottom of the barrel stuff.
I'm happy for you to think that!
Ky's got my vote at last we have a Staly south campaigner who does not spent his time sat on his arse in Mottram road Tory club watching football on a bent TV screen each week
Look at the poll result, the bunnyhuggers are well outvoted by the real men of Britan.
Not one of you gutless Labour c**t, hypocrite f*****g traitors has got the balls to condemn, or even mention the disgracful, alien sadistic barbarity of Halal slaughter.
Good point. Better to say nothing if your point of view is contaminated by lies and hypocrisy.
Nationalist: There appears to be no argument of class indeed the toffs chase with the dogs the working man digs the hole. IT IS ABOUT CRULETY TO ANIMALS FOR SPORT.
LOOK UP CUB HUNTING.
I am new to this site and do not intend to offend anybody merely express my own opinion to you, through this wonderful media blog.
I happen to live in Tameside, and do not discuss which party I vote or agree with, in all honest they all have thier bad and good points, some will and some will not ride the so called gravy train, such is the nature of humans. however and more to the point this Labour candidate for South has fought for what he is against and has shown willing in addressing problems within the area. My friend told me about this candidate and said that the rumours are that he is out almost everyday, looking for campaigns, he wants to win and for the first time in years it looks like the other parties my have a fight on thier hands, the best of luck to all parties. Now as for the hunting of Cubs or foxes for sport this is indeed cruel and yes their probably is other cruel ways in which we slaughter animals for food I Dont doubt this, but that is not the arguement here and this is only me point, I Hope I have not offended anybody
yours truly
Pamela Springs
Pamela Springs, the argument is the hypocrisy of spuriously campaigning against foxhunting while pretending the extreme cruelty inflicted during religious slaughter does not exist.
In the words of the expletive ridden comment above, will someone from Labour who condemns foxhunting also condemn Halal slaughter. If they don't it's double standards of the worst kind and political expediency based on 'class warfare'.
Against fox hunting, virtually all the comments on here are about foxhunting, in particular from pseudo (i.e. when it suits them) socialist class warriors. There is little or no condemnation of the more working class animal hunting sports.
Also why is no-one criticising deer hunting, grouse shooting and specifically angling. It's because foxhunting is SEEN as being upper class.
Finally despite repeated calls no-one from Labour, (or the Tories for that matter) which relies heavily on the Islamic block vote in many areas, will condemn or even mention ritual slaughter and its inhibit extreme cruelty. If you're going to hold a position on animal cruelty at least be consistent.
People without principles (like those who support or represent a Party like New Labour which has long since abandoned its core values) don't 'hold positions', they simply do what's expedient to stay on the gravy train. After all if you no longer believe in anything, the comforts and status of Office become replacements.
as for the tories in staly south being lazy councillor doreen dickenson got the biggest majority in the whole of tameside in 2008 you dont get that through lazyness!!
Doreen what do you been told stop blowing your own trumpet on here will you and yes your right you did get the highest vote, but Basil did not and wont this election.Labour are going to take Basil's seat.
thanks to Labour Britain is growing stronger.
THE REASON DOREEN GOT THE MOST VOTES WAS BECAUSE NOBODY ON COPLEY OR BRUSHES OR MILLBROOK VOTES THIER ALL PEASANTS AND US UP IN THE TOP OF SOUTH WERE THE MONEY IS VOTE FOR HER IT IS THAT SIMPLE. SO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN LABOUR OR YOUR CANDITATE KY THE PEASANT KING.
All religions allow the consumption of meat. Take it as a sequence of commensalisms, a cow eats grass and we eat the cow and we know that big fish eats small fish and lo and behold, man eats the small ones and the big ones both! It is to be iterated that the Halal Food Authority is on record to say firmly that no stunning is allowed to kill the animal prior to slaughter. However, since Islam is a religion of science, a science which without laboratory testing gave us a covenant that blood is not allowed to be consumed and its raw form could be a hazard and an imperilment to human health. Centuries later, we have the affirmation from Mister Scientist that it is harmful for humankind! Least we can do is to listen to experts who would slaughter animals in scores of numbers per hour and with humane methods.
Aids prior to slaughter
Generally it is believed that for humane killing stunning modes and methods have been in use for a long time. We all know that for sure it is not the fact and it is untrue. It is only a few decades old engineering and still is in experimental stages. It is the expediency of the machinery for the numbers and volume which the viable commercial enterprise requires, for some kind of immobilisation of animals on the slaughtering line, to avoid injury to all concerned and bruising of the carcass. Bruised and bloodshot parts are neither to be sold, nor are they allowed in any way in achieving required financial yields.
support the mottram road crossing
vote labour vote ky
Ky he will help lubricate the unstoppable Labour machine now in 5th gear in Staly South
I think it is ridiculous. The upper-class finds joy in a game in which an innocent creature is outnumbered by horses, hounds and themselves and brutally murdered, torn apart, for what? a sense of fun? a good afternoon out?
And they then trespass through people's lands, as if they own all land in the area, trample down people's gardens that are not involved in their stupid, little idiotic and evil game (personal experience).
What is worse, is that it was not always foxes that were the prey but often cubs and domestic dogs . In which the game was killing anything that moves and yet, how publicised were these disgusting and brutal acts? I am afraid more sometimes is made of the victim being a fox than it was when it was a domestic dog.
The individuals involved in this often do not work for a living and hence loose a sense of masculinity (even the women involved). They then have to find 'balls' somewhere and think they will appeal the hunter within them (if they had to do it out of necessity, how much would they not complain?) , so they go about murdering for sport an innocent animal that can easily be outrun and is not even murdered by them, but their hounds. Wow, what brave men! how proud must they be!
I can't stand fox hunting. I hate it, it's just so cruel. I've been watching some youtube videos on it today and it brought me to tears. Foxes are such beautiful animals, how people can kill them are call it a sport is just beyond me. Just imagine being that fox, chased around by around 30+ dogs and people and horse, imagine running as fast as you can trying to save your life, then they get hold of you and the dogs are tearing you up - everyone cheering. Makes me feel physically sick. I just don't understand how people can condone it.
Well done Labour and well done TC for backing this one, it funny the Tories seem quiet on this subject I would love to know what Dorren and Basil have to say about this.
There is a difference between "fox hunting" and "hunting for foxes".
For those of you that have lived in a cave for your entire life, fox hunting has long been considered to be a great British sport. It's normally just "played" by the ultra-rich upper class twits that unfortunately have yet to understand that we're not living in the 1600s any more. Foxes are scared out of their dens and are chased for hours by idiots on horseback. When the fox eventually begins to tire, trained dogs are allowed to rip the foxes to shreds.
The long justification for this sport is that foxes are vermin and need to be killed. There is some truth in this statement. I grew up in a rural area and have witnessed the damage that foxes cause to livestock. A single fox can easily wipe out a chicken coop in an evening. They don't just take what they need to survive; they will just slaughter everything. It is supposedly possible to make a coop "fox-proof", but these methods are not particularly effective - especially if you want your chickens to remain free-range. Therefore, there are some people that hold that fox hunting is the only way to cull the fox population in Britain.
yes that right because you lot are out killing them all. stop the fox hunting in Brushes. I was out there today with my husband armed with my camera, we even thought we seen Roy West but was not sure it looked like him even Roy who most people seem to disagree with is not a monster like the Tories. I would be ashmed to vote the Tories if I knew they wanted to bring back the ban.
Dear ABC, thank you for responding to my recent posting, and thank you for being so polite and well mannered. thier are alot of people on here who can not reason without childish name calling and language that would make my dear old grandmother faint. You may well have a very good point, however if what you are saying is true and I do not claim it is or is not, then no party regardless are going to start a religious debate on the halal meat and whether it is bad or not publicly. Do you really agree with Fox hunting? or is it that you disagree with the double standards you claim, this leaflet display and therefore cut your nose to spite your face, I have to agree I am against such act but then again I also line dance and love caravaning which some people would deem as crazy, thats just us human, we all have differnet wants and desires. This Candidate has raised an issue that needs addressing and it will more then likley gain him votes. will it stop foxhunting maybe not but the fact that he has tried is because he feels passionate about it,he has also campaigned for a pedestrain crossing to incease safety for all regardless of class or party surely you must agree with this. You could stand and make your ideas a public concern, I do hope I have not offended you.
your truly
Pamela Spring
ps
good night tameside bloggers and to all who use this sight god bless.
Into the street the Fluter stept,
Smiling first a little smile,
As if he knew what magic slept
In his quiet flute the while;
Then, like a musical adept,
To blow the flute his lips he wrinkled,
And red with rage his eyes twinkled,
Like a candle-flame where salt is sprinkled;
And ere three shrill notes the flute uttered,
You heard as if an army muttered;
And the muttering grew to a grumbling;
And the grumbling grew to a mighty rumbling;
And out of the houses the Tories came tumbling.
Great Tories, small Tories, lean Tories, brawny Tories, drunken
Tories, fat Tories, depressed Tories, tawny Tories,
Grave old plodders, and gay young friskers,
Fathers, mothers, uncles, cousins,
Families by tens and dozens,
Brothers, sisters, husbands, wives --
Followed the Fluter for their lives.
From street to street he fluted advancing,
And step for step they followed dancing,
Until they came to the river Tame
Wherein all plunged and perished!
after that Tameside Labour flourished.
Lol, Labours Secret Weapon is talented when it comes to great satire.
Pam Springs talks sense. Come on ABC justify your stance.
Dear Fan of Pam: I would first of all like it known that ABC has always been polite to me and I do not want nor wish people to try and force anybody into making any comments about what I say. I simple use this sight because despite the foul language which from now on I hope will be kept to a minimal. I like the idea of freedom of speech that the lovely TC provides, I dont however like the attacks that all parties get even Mr West, who is also only standing up for what he feel strongly about, and this poor JT who ever that is. Now back to my point I thank you fan, for your comments but ask that you frame them more nicely, ABC will reply back I have no doubt but he/or she will do so with out having to justify himself.
yours truly
Pamela Springs
p.s
I hope I have not offend you
I think Labours secret weapon has been responsible for all the poems on this website, they always make me laugh, have a look there are a few on this site now my favourite is the the night before election it makes me laugh still.
It deeply shocking to know that the local Tories are not concerned about this issue. Locally they should defend themselves and come back fighting this Labour Candidate, so he has pulled from the bag foxhunting and so he should it is an issue that 75% or more do not agree with not just foxes but hunting animals for sport,having vote all my life some 40 years or so and having lived in South for the last twenty I have seen some election fight for this ward. Personally having spoken with a local tory councillior recently on this subject I wont say who that would be rude, they are not bothered on this issues and feel that the voters of Stalybridge South will not stir much from this Labour attempt.
Good Luck Basil you are going to need it respond now before it is to late I have heard they have hit copley with a similair news letter
Where is the "cat park"?....Is this a safe haven for your pussies when the the Mottram Old Road hounds are out?
Tally Ho - New Labour!
Just been out on Brushes today seems quite. well done ky your campaign is working the crafty fox killing bastards are not there today.
Get ready for War Labour the Longendale Mob are comming to Stalybridge South very soon to undue the damage you have caused at our meeting the other day we have decided to make you our top priority, Basil been told he is on his own well not anymore...
we are comming to get our voters back.....
becare boys you know what you have been told about spouting off your little mouths on here, look at the poor Godley candidate, how much trouble did that get him in....
they have told you to bite the bullet i suggest you keep your toff noses down. and stick to pestering Roy he loves you lot wasting your time trying to out smart the master.
Did I see Cllr Ky cleaning up the canal in Stalybridge today, if I did its a big thank you for him again,hes done more real work in three months than all the Staly South councillors have done in years.
KY was also cleaning up leaves the council cleaners missed on Blundering Lane. He is almost certainly going to unseat Basil in the next round of elections.
Keep it up KY.
Pamela Springs, I no more care about foxhunting than I do about any other form of vermin control. These animals, if not hunted will be shot, trapped or poisoned anyway, a fact NOBODY on here denies. If foxhunting is banned (it is currently technically illegal but is apparently more practised than ever), a centuries old English tradition would disappear and many people in rural communities would lose their jobs.
You are correct in saying that no Party will start a public debate on the inherent extreme cruelty of Halal, but one Party in particular like to rant on about foxhunting; New Labour, the 'class warriors' and everyone's 'moral superiors', while deliberately ignoring the lingering, painful deaths of hundreds of thousands of animals who have their throats slit every year, while fully conscious. Illegal for non-religious slaughter, thus highlighting the double standards and cowardice of the main Party's positions.
Contrary to the anonymous point, pre-stunning was NOT introduced in Britain and other civilised countries for speed, but because it is instantaneous and utterly painless.
It is beyond me why anyone other than a hypocrite or a person who practices the relevant religions would want to defend this abhorrent, brutal and totally unnecessary procedure.
so ABC, are you opposed to fox hunting or not. Is it OK to kill a fox without stunning but not a pig?
You will be opposed to fishing as well I guess as fish are suffocated to death, no stunning.
Dear ABC, I thank you for your response and apologise for anybody that put you under any pressure to respond. As I have explained that what I am not here to do is put anybody under pressure or be little anybody. I am sorry I am so late responding I work shifts at a hotel. Anyway back to my point and I do hope you understand the concept of devils advocate, which I am sure you do.
The horrible life of UK factory farmed pigs
Before reaching the slaughter age of six months 6000 pigs die and are left among the other pigs.
Due to poor living conditions, low hygiene, crowded cages and stress pigs living in factory farms have a 50% chance of dying before they arrive at the slaughterhouse.
Cow Slaughter
Under law, slaughtered cattle and hogs first must be "stunned" -- rendered insensible to pain -- with a blow to the head or an electric shock. But on most plants this stunning doesn't always work properly, with cruel consequences for the animals. Enforcement records, interviews, videos and worker affidavits describe repeated not well stunned animals at dozens of slaughterhouses, ranging from the smallest, custom butcheries to modern, automated establishments. All then have their throats cut. The only difference being we do not prey for them.
Veal Calves
Veal Calves are "byproducts" of the dairy industry and are generally taken away from the mother when they are less than 1 day old. They are then put into dark and tiny crates.
In these crates they will stay till the last day of their live. After around four months they are brought to the slaughterhouse.
The calves are fed a (low in iron) liquid diet with little nutritive value so the flesh of the veal is white. By bordness, ill nutrition and lack of space calves get ill and frequently suffer from anemia, diarrhea and pneumonia. We are all guilty of animal cruelty, the point I am trying to make ABC is that this is not about class but about killing for sport, yes nobody denies shooting or poisoning foxes but out of necessity not for sport, are you a vegan if not like I we are all then hypocrites but at least this candidate in south stands up for hunting if you not he mentions foxes but it is the hunting bill he stands for
Yours truly
Pamela Springs
ps dear ABC I know this because my husband used to be a Vet and is now an inspetor within the food industry
Pamela Springs
Most animals in Britain are stunned. Bailhere's Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary (1988) defines it as "producing unconsciousness of head in carbon dioxide, gas, electrical shock ... all of them aiming to allow the animal to bleed out while it is still alive. An animal that is dead before it has bled out will be unsuitable for marketing." The latter definition regards stunning as rendering an animal unconscious, and the exsanguination as the cause of death. However, the Oxford English Dictionary (1989) says that the aim of stunning is "to deprive of consciousness or power of motion [my italics] by a blow, a fall or the like." The author of this entry gives paralysis as an alternative to loss of consciousness.
The captive bolt may penetrate the skull and destroy brain tissue, or cause a considerable rise in intracranial pressure. These result in instantaneous loss of consciousness (as a knock-out does in boxing), followed by collapse of the animal. If the brain tissue is not destroyed, the animal may come round, if the carotid arteries and jugular veins are not cut soon ("sticking"). Instant unconsciousness occurs if the aim is accurate, the animal is still, and the device works. Electrical stunning involves passing a large voltage across the animal's brain. Slaughtermen, butchers, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals, Compassion in World Farming and most people who eat meat, assume that the electric current causes instantaneous unconsciousness, so that the animals feel no pain. Unfortunately, there is evidence that this assumption may not be warranted.
Your truly
Pamela Springs
Hi Pamela, hope all is well just thought i would help you out with and hope you are enjoying this site I showed you
Why Electrical Stunning is not Believed to be Painful MR ABC
Firstly, the public, the slaughterers, the farmers and the butchers, have not understood the division of the nervous system into sensory and motor systems. Secondly, animals and people subjected to large currents, being paralysed, can not exhibit the obvious sign of pain - evasive and violent movements. Thirdly, people believe that unconsciousness in animal slaughter (as in the electric chair) is instantaneous. Fourth, N Gregory and S Wotton of the Department of Meat Animal Science of the University of Bristol in 1985 applied the electric current to the heads of sheep for too short a period to stun or kill them; when the current was turned off, the sheep walked away, apparently without distress. They also saw no burns beneath the electrodes. Nevertheless the same research group was of the opinion that "electrical stunning does not cause de-afferentation of the visual cortex in a consistent and prolonged manner." Fifthly, no one wants to know that animals might have suffered severe pain every time they eat a ham sandwich, hold a barbecue or put on their sheepskin liberty bodices.
we are all guilty but not answering the point raised by the candidate in South are the tories against this ban yes yes yes therefore they should be removed simple, vote for Ky in Stalybridge South and show David Cameron that we will not stand for it. Basil does not seem to show any concern in the matter
Labour what drug are you on, you have more chance of winning the lottery then winning Basil, we are out this weekend campaigning with Basil, reassuring our voters that your candidate in Stalybridge South is not winning this election.
Beware the Longdendale mob are comming
Election fear wakes up councillors in Stalybridge South our spy has told us that in an emergency meeting held recently the Conservatives have realised that they are going to have to work really hard in South in order to take back votes the new soon to be Councillor Ky has taken from Basil. after there split for MP arguement and their disgrace at certain younger members trying to take over and the letter received from central office ordering the little whipper snappers to back off attacking John Bell and posting slanderous remarks about Roy Oldham. in fact they are now going to help Basil by going out Campaigning in
Labour have a list of people I know
All written in a book
And every year at Christmas time
they go and take a look
And that is when Labour realise
That those names are a part
Not of the book they're written in
But of Labour’s heart
And once you've met some people
The years can not erase
The memory of a pleasant word
Or a friendly face
So when Labour send a Christmas card
That is addressed to you
It's because you're on that list
Of folk whom they are indebted to
And you are one of many folk who
In times past Labour have met
And happen to be one of those
Labour will never forget
And whether Labour have known you for
Many years or few
In some way you have a part in
Shaping things Labour do
This, the spirit of Christmas, that
Forever and ever endures
May it leave it richest blessing
In the hearts of you and yours.
When the John Bell opened the third seal, I heard the Tories say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the 10 tameside tories , saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
If Basil looses he will not be welcome back in our lodge.
To make this clear, I am opposed to any unnecessary and gratuitous suffering inflicted on animals. Foxes, and animals to be slaughtered should be killed in the quickest, most painless and humane way. If that means banning foxhunting, fine. But the evidence put before the government made no case for banning it, something they chose to ignore, for their own class/politics based reasons.
Some badly run factory farms may inflict cruelty but the vast majority, if operating within our
civilised codes and practices keep any suffering to a minimum, if they fail they are subject to criminal prosecution. Pre-stunning falls into this category, and while not perfect is the best method for humane despatch. If that were not the case why would a British slaughterman who deliberately did not pre-stun and was found out, be prosecuted, i.e. what would they be prosecuting him FOR?
Veal crates unquestionably inflict unnecessary suffering and, in my view, should be banned.
You say we are all guilty of animal cruelty but the crucial difference is properly enforced western standards and practices have consistently tried to reduce it, whereas methods like Halal slaughter and veal crates cause deliberate and unnecessary cuelty, the diametric opposite.
Banning hunting for sport and consequently angling would affect vast numbers of people and cause huge unemployment, particularly in rural areas. It is also a part of our national heritage and as with all such important subjects it is a question of making a balanced judgment.
Vegans believe there is something 'morally' wrong with using animal products and eating meat, but supply no REASON to stop consuming such an essential part of our diet.
No-one who eats meat but tries to take a consistent, balanced and civilised approach to animal welfare should be called a hypocrite, those whose 'concern' is a politically motivated and entirely inconsistent facade, are however worthy of the title.
Re above: vegans don't do reason because they've lost theirs.
Sorry, forgot the 'n'.
Pam Springs and ABC are the two best posters on this site. Both provide thought proviking posts.
Watch these savage brutes slaughter a cow. They inflict terrible agony upon the poor beast rather than killing it in a 'civilized' fashion - that is if any form of killing can be classed as civilized.
Vegan 1978, some methods are more civilised than others. The crucial difference is, civilised cultures try to reduce suffering to a minimium. Barbaric, backward ones put their irrational and infantile mumbo jumbo before humane treatment of other creatures.
Dear all, your comments and views have been put across well; it is also nice to see that other bloggers are starting to think before typing and beginning to turn this site into a more debatable site. Offensive language and thoughtless comment get you no where.
ABC is passionate about this form of slaughter and I have to admire his/or her opinion, however sadly the fact remains that due to mass consumption of meat, and poultry the methods of killing animals understandable has it bad points and are not what the mass consumer wants to know or care to know. Do you remember the teacher some months back who reared a pig and then slaughtered it? Parents went mad and everybody said it was disgraceful. If the food industry did not hide the fact that cruelty existed when it came to killing for food then they would be broke, although having said that if you were to buy a cow or a pig or sheep and then take it home and have to do the dirty work yourself it would be much worst and more of us would be vegan.
I am not a vegan nor intend to be, I understand that we are currently looking into methods that are more humane for slaughtering our livestock but this would no doubt increase the price of food and the major suppliers would not want that this to happen.
My only concern ABC is that you use behind your clever wording a scent of anti Muslim perhaps I am wrong and if I am please accept my apology, yes Halal is just as bad if not worst I can not comment on this but it is based on a religion that people follow and are faithful to and therefore believe they are doing the right thing. If it were the other way about would you still feel strongly about this method? The fact is that for three hundred or so years the United Kingdom was in a religious turmoil in some parts it still is take Ireland and the British people are now free to choose and choose only to turn to god when somebody dies or when it is for themselves. Perhaps ABC it is Islam you have a problem with and not the way they kill there animals.
If when you go out do you ever have a kebab? It is indeed Halal meat does your conscious stop you eating it. If Britain still had as much faith left in her as other cultures we could argue possibly that it was wrong, but lets be frank it does not anymore we all live free to choose and I would not want it any other way would you?
I am asking all who blog on this site to answer the question the candidate from South has asked do you wish to see Fox hunting brought back? Yes or No and be honest.
Take care to all parties and I wish you all a nice day.
Pamela Springs
David Cameron has said that, if we are elected, we will give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote, with a government bill in government time. There will be no watering down or retreat from this pledge, which will be repeated in our election manifesto."
It's nothing to do with class. It's all to do with our attitudes to other people and to wild animals and our standards of civilsation. We British led the way in banning the slave trade and in banning slavery in the Empire, we led the way in banning bear baiting and cock fighting, and we led the way in banning hunting and hare coursing. We must continue to make progress and not let our civilisation take a backward step.
I don't provide comprehensive coverage of Conservative politics at all - quite apart from me not wanting to, there are far better people for that than I could ever hope to replicate - I post when something is particularly annoying or interesting. My posts may not even mention the Conservative party, the Labour party, or even Britain. however Pam, you have asked a question and i will try and answer you.
quote from Lord Burns:
" Although we would have liked more scientific evidence, on these grounds we came to the view that the experience of being closely pursued, caught and killed by hounds seriously compromised the welfare of the fox and probably falls short of the standards we would expect for humane killing. "
it needs to be stopped and yes the Candidate in South Kia and TC and you Pam are right
Decent people don't decide to go out and hunt animals because they find some evidence that there might be worse ways of hurting them.
If we follow your warped logic Master Tom and the rest of the Tories, we might as well make rape legal because there is evidence that killing women is actually worse. Sound like an intelligent conclusion to you?
The hunt was never about pest control anyway. Foxes can be caught in cage traps and shot cleanly and humanely if necessary. Comparing the hunt with less humane methods of killing is redundant. There are people all over this country who breed foxes specifically for the hunts so your pest control message goes right out the window.
The one about taking out the old and the sick foxes went out the window with 'cubbing' (you know that activity rebranded as Autumn Hunting?).
Drag hunting is legal, you claim hunt numbers are up all over the country, the sense of community is still there, and the pageantry lives on. Why are you all so obsessed with bringing back the kill?
Dear TC your vote I feel is a little unfair perhaps it should have been do you agree with Ky the stalybridge South candidate campaigning to stop the Conservatives replying the fox hunting ban . People wont not vote and I dont think very much he will lose votes either even by your own word you feel it would polarise voters
Pamela Springs, what makes you think I have a problem with Islam, as opposed to their brutal methods of slaughter? It's not the only religion to practice ritual slaughter, or perhaps your believe I'm an anti-semite as well.
Both of these insulting suggestions are based on zero evidence and you have not denied any of the points I have made. I can only assume you are resorting to politely phrased abuse because you have lost the argument.
If you raised a perfectly valid point about the appalling way Islam treats women, which is undoubtedly true, how would you like to be accused of Islamophobia.
Islam has many admirable qualities, including their extremely strong family values and the way they stick together as a culture/community. They deserve praise for these latter practices and condemnation for the former.
I never eat kebabs, which I would have thought was obvious given my strong objection to Halal slaughter. And always look for the Halal symbol on any takeaway leaflets pushed through my door. As I understand it there is no legal obligation to display this symbol, denying customers concerned about animal welfare the opportunity to make an informed choice, yet another example of double standards.
I repeat my earlier challenge for a representative or supporter of the main Parties, but particularly New Labour who are apparently so desperately concerned about foxhunting, to condemn the barbarity and hypocrisy of ritual slaughter being legal. We won't be hearing from Messrs Gwynne and Purnell or their representatives on this issue, even if they read this Blog, because they are members of the Labour Friends of Israel, or is that anti-semitic.
I would just like to say that on my way home tonight I seen a young lad gritting the roads around Grey street and Taylor street I then realised it was the Labour Candidate Ky......
You dont see Basil or Doreen out helping the elderly and gritting the roads.
No you right you dont see Doreen and Basil out Gritting Roads they are too busy protecting Toffs and their blood thirsty fetishes for chasing foxes and then murdering them,murdering them,murdering them,murdering them, murdering them, murdering them, murdering them, murdering them, murdering them, get the point yet Basil.....you and your party should be disgraced.... I cant stand Labour but I hate you lot more no one will get my vote this year unless the UKIP OR BNP South as if i would have seen the candidate gritting in the road I would have flattened the bastard...
ABC you are missing the point and you should not be rude to Pamela she did say if she was wrong she apologies. And she has pointed out Points that put your agruement in question.
Dont attack her and say she has lost her arguement you have lost yours ages ago.
the point you are missing is this is about a local issues by a local candidate who does not want to see Foxhunting or any form of hunting with dogs for sport brought back.
would you if you were standing for elecetion extact the same standards or would you shout from the lamp posts ban Halal meat.
On the subject of Halal - which I agree is a truly barbaric medieval practice which has no place in this country, but that aside, does anyone know if this abominably sourced meat is served in Tameside schools, and if so, do all pupils in the schools where it served get it, or just those of the Muslim faith?
Shame on you, you are missing the point. Pamela Springs suggested I was a bigot with no evidence to support that assertion. If that isn't rude what is.
She did not answer any of my arguments and used insulting and baseless suggestions as a substitute. I suspect the sincerity of the proffered apology as the prior allegations that led to it are patently without foundation.
Point out, specifically, where I 'lost my argument' 'ages ago'.
This is not just a local issue and if foxhunting, on an IMPARTIAL assessment, was proven to inflict more suffering than other methods of fox culling I would support its ban.
If I stood for election it would have to be for a Party that would ban Halal slaughter, which is unquestionably cruel and unnecessary.
would just like to say your leaflet today was really informative I did not get the chance to talk to you, but I seen you with all your team... thank you for leting Copley know about the fox hunting and the other issues,
ps
your idea for Copley has my support see you in January
regards
Norbert
stop cub hunting in our town basil or we will out vote you
let hope the fox hunt stops on boxing day if the snow stays
good luck Mr Fox
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