I was not at last nights State of the Area Address but I have had lots of reports from people who did attend. As ever Tameside MBC appear to have a positive plan for the future. As I have said before; we may moan about the way our council is run, but compared to many others Tameside MBC is a visionary council and a model of efficiency. I have travelled far and wide throughout this land and believe me there are some truly terrible local authorities - some of them very close to us such as in neighbouring Oldham.
I still maintain Tameside’s success is due to the prudence and wisdom of Roy Oldham. He is after all Britain’s longest serving council leader and it is that continuity that helps Tameside MBC win award after award for their excellent performance.
One of the more curious reports I received from the State of the Area address was the apparent confirmation from Cllr Oldham that Tameside MBC have donated £50,000 to an African village called Kiagware.
If what I am told is correct, the reason for this is the people of Kiagware are having it hard at present due to conflict in the Nyanza province. Apparently ‘racism’ could be at the heart the problems afflicting Kiagware, but other observers suggest it is tribal rather than ’racist’(Is ‘racism‘ just another form of tribalism?). Whatever the truth of the matter, and if anyone has any further details please do share them with us, surely some people in Tameside will be asking themselves if the £50,000 donated to Kiagware would have been better spent a bit closer to home, ie; in Tameside? I myself thought foreign aid was dealt with and distributed by national government, I had no idea local authorities were authorised to distribute their own foreign aid.
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Tameside Citizen how could you be such a liar? Of course you were there I followed you afterwards to your car to get your registration. It is always handy.
The thought had crossed my mind to snap your neck but then I would miss this site and the shit you occasional spill out. You were talking with the Tory boy the Longdendale candidate did you not see me next to you, the quiet one, shame on you.
You sat close to the press officers half a sleep in what you and I can only describe as an interesting three hours, all that time I was so close to you yet you were unaware that I was watching you. I know who you are we use to frequent the same circle of friends, but since then I have moved on.
your dear old friend ?
p.s would you like me to prove it and tell the bloggers your real name?
Dear Clive Patrick , sorry I have to write to you in this manner. However the last time I tried to approach you seemed distant, then last night you drop your medicine out of your coat pocket why on earth are you on anti-depressants, then I began to realise the impending break up of your marriage must hard. The pressure of being the dog to Doreen, who still insists that she will be the MP candidate for the Conservatives at the next election. The fact you had to select a candidate who enjoys one or ten drinks and endorse him.
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I was totally disgraced to see that the Labour candidate for Stalybridge South was late to such an important event, surely as a candidate with such a reputation to up hold as the great tory fighter you would have thought he would have turned up on time
shame on you
and i still have not heard of anyone in your ward who has seen or heard of you yet
Anyone who attended last nights council meeting will have heard councillor Bell say he was pulling off all afternoon, confirmation that he is an out and out wanker leading a group of wankers,does anyone know the name used to describe a group of wankers (besides the Tory group)
Roy Oldham can do what the hell he wants after all he is the head of state. so if I were you I would stay silent or you might find yourself in one of Roy's many landfill sites
I once heard this subject debated on a BBC programme I think it was "Have I got news for you" someone suggested it was a bolus of wankers, by the way I did not Know Clive was married as he fallen out with her bet its because hes never home now hes on the council, it happens to lots of them.
Or did he catch her with a certain Stalybridge Tory councillor known for his wandering.
Dear 'Old Friend', I can absolutely guarantee you I was not at last nights meeting. I am not even sure what time the meeting took place, but if you look at the item beneath this regarding the shoeboxes for our troops you will see it was posted at 20.42. Was the meeting still taking place at that time and if it was, and I was there as you suggest, how did I post the item? There are only three possible answers assuming the meeting was still running at 20.42; firstly it was not me you had ‘under observation’, secondly it was me and I was using a laptop or other handheld device to post on this blog while simultaneously observing the meeting or thirdly, I knew you had me under observation and thought, rather than risk getting my “neck snapped”, and you had have to good to succeed if you attempted to do that, I secretly instructed Mrs TC to quickly knock up an item and then post it here to help get me off the hook?
Feel free to ‘expose’ me if you know who I am, but I sincerely promise you I was not at any council meeting last night so you may risk exposing the wrong person. Also, please remember this - violence is never the answer.
I can also vouch that TC was not at the State of the Area Address.
Kikuyu? Were they not the tribe who were behind the Mau Mau? They made the IRA and Al=Quader look civilised.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/kenya/index.html
http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Secret-Societies/The-Mau-Mau.html
QUOTE " A vicious attack on January 24, 1953, claimed the Rucks, a family of English heritage, who had always been regarded as dealing with their black employees in a fair-minded and charitable manner, even to the extent of supporting a clinic at their own expense. The bodies of the husband, wife, and their six-yearold son were found so hacked and ripped as to be nearly unrecognizable as human beings" UNQUOTE
We know Jimmy Purnell an Grinny Gwynne are deeply involved with the LFI. What are the chances of them participating in this type of ritual to prove their loyalty to Izzy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PccGaPRJB5k&feature=player_embedded
I dont get it, why is this money being donated to Africa?
Its called being a human being having compassion and a greater understanding about helping people something you clearly lack, that's why Mr Oldham is where he is and you are out of work nobody wants you.
look Liam what have you got against TC he was not there.
and for a matter of fact you were not... so before you start typing and attacking our dear friend TC make sure you know your facts.
why have you changed Liam we thought you were one of us!!!!!!
it is because somebody knows something you have done and they are going to expose it. Liam you are a a double cross leave TC alone or it will be your neck for the chop. TC you are right violence does not solve anything but I think Liam has changed maybe his new think tank has encouraged him to changes his ways, shame on you liam. keep up the good work TC.
TC COULD YOU PLEASE POST THE PICTURE OF THE COMMUNITY PAYBACK TEAM WORKING IN STALYBRIDGE WITH THE LOVELY PICTURE OF OUR GLOURIOUS COUNCILLOR IN STALYSOUTH AND THE WONDERFULL BOYS IN BLUE WATCHING THESE OFFENDERS WORKING THIER SOCKS OFF..... PLEASE IT IS IN THE REPORTER THIS WEEK.
JUSTICE AT LAST
Mapping out the strain on your NHS and this too, Roy Oldham supports this. Roy may be a loveable old Colnel Blimp type, but he represents a truly evil Party.
Dear TC there is a fourth possibilty you travelled back in time lol
keep up the good work and ignore billington we all know his power quest although i might be wrong in which case i apologise liam.
I had no idea Liam was of a violent disposition. I have no idea why he now has it in for me either. The whole drama is very distressing.
Helping hand, explain how sixty years of 'compassion' has improved the Third World where people still die like flies in vast numbers and will continue to do so as long as lunatic organisations like Oxfam throw our money into the furnace of chronic promiscuity, corruptiopn, bloodlust and innate savgery that is rampant, particularly in Africa.
Compassion and doing what's 'nice' aren't always the solution, especially when there are a massive number of deserving cases in our own country which should always come first.
A very interesting council meeting on Tuesday besides the admission form John Bell about him and his assistant masturbating in the computer room, we had a man on the front row he was with the conservative candidate for Longendale a plumpish man, I think he stood in Ashton last year for the conservatives, he spent the whole night breaking wind causing a foul smell in the gallery.
Then we had that young lad arrive I am told his name is Liam he was made to sit on a very small chair looked like he was on a child's potty he did not like it and left sharpish.
I did not know what to expect when invited to this event but it was a long night and the side shows did help keep me entertained
The Ethnic Cleansing of Britain: Third World Immigrants Already Majority of Under 50 Population in High Wycombe
Taylor's droning on about fireworks and, unbelievably, law and order in the Labourtiser this week. Does he actually know which Party he's in?
Labour has spent twelve and a half years infesting the criminal justice system with endemic and chronic leniency towards criminals. The results are all around us. Ghettoes, no-go areas, everyone forced to become streetwise about when and where they walk. Criminal gangs, often extremely violent foreign ones, drug dealing and taking rife, 24 hour drinking turning many city centres into near war zones at the weekend. The Tories must take their share of the blame, a mere few decades ago Britain was a peaceful, safe, law abiding country. But one government after another has undermined the rule of law by their insistence on a leniency, 'understanding', and, 'society's to blame' approach. The truth is the individual is to blame and until we return to personal accountability and a punishment based system things will continue to deteriorate. The core of punishment is the death penalty, it sets the tone and everything flows from it. Its suspension in 1965 and later abolition was the biggest mistake Britain has ever made.
just got home after a hard days work and them Labour rats like coachroaches have only been out posting and door knocking around stamford park and Thompson cross my wife said there was at least ten of them like a swarm, filthy shit flies. when will it stop were are our boys. what are they playing at? get your act together they are going to win this ward if you dont get out. Their leaflet celebrates the success of the grant Stamford park have recieved. big deal a couple of labour party councilors have secured a grant for a few million. my concern is were the hell is my party!!!!!
Dear drop snap, their is a saying in English law that says better one innocent man hang then nine guilty walk free. The death penalty has never deterred anyone from committing crime for over two hundred years the British have executed or mutated criminals as you would have them called for nothing less then stealing bread. What about Stephen kiziko? Would you have liked to see him drop and snap? Now imagine you in that position innocent, but then by sheer rhetoric of a barrister and twelve members of the public ordained to be gods for a persons life in the balance you are found guilty of a crime you did not commit. Are you still happy to think you would be hung at 9am? Look at derek bentley another miss-carriage of justice. The death penalty did not work in the past, does not work in the present and will never as long as man has wants and desires work in the future.
There are over 200 people who have been killed by released murderers since 1965, the average 'life' sentence being 11 years. You say the death penalty has never deterred anyone, I suggest you read a few books about the atmosphere amongst the inmates on the morning of an execution. Capital Punishment was a statement of intent from the criminal justice syetem about how far it was prepared to go to uphold law and order, it was also the one punishment that fitted the worst crime of all. The system lost its bottle in 1965 and since then a punishment based system has been replaced by ever accelerating leniency and excusemongering resulting in rampant lawlessness.
Stefan Kiszko would have been cleared with DNA and the advances in understanding of his medical condition of hypogonadism.
Derek Bentley went to rob a warehouse with an armed accomplice - an extremely effective 'common purpose' law existed then so murder by an armed gang member meant accomplices were held to be equally guilty. This resulted in criminals frisking each other to ensure no-one was armed before they went out on a job - who shot unarmed PC Sidney Miles through the head. The accomplice was let off the death penalty because he was sixteen and is still alive today, the one TRUE injustice in this case. The basic defence of Bentley was that because he was of low intelligence he should have been let off, an absurd proposition. YOU worry about the perpetrators I'll save my sympathy for victims and decent law abiding citizens like PC Miles.
No system is perfect and a balanced judgement omitting self-indulgence, moralising and squeamishness is required, particularly for decisions of such fundamental importance. The powers that be in Britain once had the courage and integrity to make such decisions. Such qualities amongst our leaders are now noticeable by their extreme absence, and have been replaced by 'the soft option'.
the fact was that stephen would not have been cleared would he thus spending eighteen years in jail for nothing better then having his neck snapped. when our justice system can be deemed as 100percent accurate, then and only then for the most horrific of crimes could such a punishment be consider... but it would never stop murder, rape, it is a fact of life it was tried and still did not detter
VOTE LABOUR
Kiszko WOULD be cleared if he was tried now on several grounds including DNA. The point is that the chance of anyone now being wrongfully convicted with all the hoops the Police have to jump through and legions of do-gooders obsessed with the 'rights' of criminals is virtually zero. An average 'life' sentence of eleven years with the last two or three spent in a holiday camp type prison is not only clearly a massively reduced deterrent, it does not fit the nature and seriousness of the crime. It is also an offence against the posthumous rights of the victim and against the victim's friends and relatives.
The foundations of any criminal justice system should be punishment and the reduction of crime. The proven best way to achieve this is long, mandatory prison sentences which remove all doubt, particularly from the criminal's mind, about the consequences of choosing to commit a crime, with the death penalty as the ultimate sanction and foundation stone. The truth is there are crimes so horrendous that the perpetrators deserve it.
Bring in the American style chain gangs make them do community work chained up, they could be clearing up the leafs now then snow clearance when it arrives.
Hard Labour did work in many countries trust me not many went back for another dose, remove the luxuries bang them up when not out working, then introduce a reward scheme for the ones who behave inside.
Bring in the the three strikes and your in for life scheme like the Americans have, you will see crime reduce overnight, allow victims of criminals to compensated by the criminals I know some now get a little compensation but its minimal, hit them hard seize cars houses and goods to pay it, and if they have very little increase the jail term to reflect it.
Sending these scum bags to prison does not work I admit that but that's because of the cushy life they have, many will wash for the first time in ages be given decent food on a regular basis and so on, but remember this while they are inside they are not stealing from me and you,or mugging your mum or grandmother ruining their lives.
Just send them round for an interview with me and my friends we will explain our procedures for dealing with thieves and muggers of old ladies, not many have re offended, some have relocated (voluntary of course)its for their own good and the communities.
Well said above and JT its the only thing they understand,give them a dose of their own medicine.
Look JT was a a car ringer from the early 80's. He was a thug from the 70's, he attacked police lines with bricks. Don't agree with punishing someone over and over again. But Taylor you make me sick, you F****** hypocrite.
Jesus talks about the hypocrites that judge people, always remember he knows them. Jesus is the light. The darkness of the hypocrite is a lonely place. Remember JT, that Jesus knows you!
No other truth exists! than that of the pain and suffering of our Lord Jesus.
No other truth exists! than that of the pain and suffering of our Lord Jesus.
Remember, that Christmas is for Jesus the Son Of Man. The Truth and the way! The Faith, and being born again. Jesus is the truth.
Jesus was the Christ, and that is the reason for Christmas!
Leave JT alone he was on my street today in the freezing cold asking if we needed any help, they are the only party we ever see doing anything, we know he was a bit of a lad and still is but he does get things done.
Read the papers every week hes always doing something with Brian and Jacki hes got my vote in May again.
Public floggings,security guards with dogs,hosing down yobs its a disgrace Taylor, THAT WE DONT HAVE MORE LIKE YOU
JT, the master of PR and the master of BS. Spouts on about law and order as an elected representative of the softest on crime Party that has ever governed Britain.
Was Strangeways a much harder regime in the early 80's?
F**k off this sight Labour tosser until you've opened up the comments on your own.
I think JT is great. gets things done.
Top Man
and i think you will find its spelt site you moron
Brian Wild is morally corrupt, he points the finger of judgment at others. A magistrate that puts himself in a public drunken state. Wildy you look like a pervert and a dirty old man.
DSGR, your argument regarding DNA and the death penalty is deeply flawed. Had DNA evidence been available when Stefan Kiszko was fitted up it would have made no difference. The police officers who framed Stefan Kiszko knew he did not commit the horrific crime they accused him of. Stefan could not produce semen - and they knew that, but they still went ahead and lead the jury to believe the semen found at the scene was Stefan’s. Police officers who are as corrupt as that would not think twice about planting DNA evidence to get their conviction.
The only way you could almost certainly wipe out this type of corruption if the death penalty were ever to be re-introduced, would be by offering a caste iron guarantee that if any police officer was ever found guilty of planting DNA evidence in a case where a death penalty was likely - he would be automatically executed upon conviction. This would be the only deterrent which would be likely to work.
No Cllr Brian Wild, it's not right that you put yourself up to be someone to respect, when you are in these public drunken states that are common in Dukinfield. Is it just one rule for you? If this was your political opponent in a public drunken state, you would make good use of it hey Wildy. Because you are corrupt it makes no difference to you, I know that.
TC makes a very important point. The evidence available at the time proved Stefan Kiszko was innocent but corrupt policemen and / or forensic experts hid the evidence.
It was the West Yorkshire Police who did it, the same police force who are now the leading "anti-racist stormtroopers" of ZanuLabour
See:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed
The moral of the story is NEVER go voluntarily to a police station and say nothing if they drag you there.
In the 70's 80's the corrupt police had this situation in practice of getting young lads into the station not completely innocent, but get them to admit to crimes still on the books. The police have always been corrupt now they work for new Labour to intimidate political opponents.
Stefan Kiszko never stood a chance once he admitted he had killed Lesley Molseed, why did he admit to the killing ,because he was told he could go home to his mother if he did so.
Two professional people knew he had not killed her both knew he could not get an erection and produce sperm, they knew he was receiving treatment for this and they thought the side effects of this treatment could cause people like Stefan to commit sexual acts.
Dick Holland the senior police officer on the case and Ronald Outteridge the leading forensic scientist on the case both knew he could not have done it.
Both were charged in July 1994 with suppressing evidence in the case against Stefan, the case was proceeding slowly along towards the crown court, then in May 1995 the case was challenged in the magistrates court arguments were placed before Jane Haywrd a professional magistrate her ruling was that the case should be stayed she said the two could not not receive a fair trial for various reasons.
There have been several attempts to get information about Stefan's trial and the case against Holland and Outteridge one of then being the Daily Mirror newspaper using the freedom of information act,all have failed because the police say it not in the public interest.
I along with many would not agree I want to know why two so called professional public servants in post to protect the public did not do their duty and tell the true facts about Stefan and why did they not protect him from an injustice.
These men damaged Stefan and his family they cheated the Molseed family they seriously damaged their professions, Stefan said he was never worried about him being convicted because he said the police do not tell lies and he believed in their integrity.
Stefans mother and auntie never doubted his innocence dispite some vile treatment by some locals she never gave up on him, the pictures of Stefan going home with is Mother and auntie will live with me and others for ever.
We need the truth to come out about this case not just for Steffans and Lesley's family but for the integrity of the criminal justice system.
Makes you angry to think that the corrupt bastard police could fit this man up in the first place
It was tragic as was the framing of West who was guilty of being a fool by admitting to crime he did not committ.
TC, there are some crucial points missing from your assertions. The Police suspected Stefan Kiszko at the time because two local teenage girls had accused him of exposing himself. Whether true or not Kiszko, due to testosterone treatment for his hypoganadism he had begun getting erections and developed an interest in pornography. When the Police discovered this they put two and two together and came up with five and looked no further into the science than suited them.
Regarding DNA, ALL arrested pesons now have a sample taken and in a case of this nature Kiszko would be instantly cleared so it would be impossible for him to be hanged. If the Police were regularly doctoring samples to fit people up, particularly in sex crimes, there would have to be NO contact evidence from the real perpetrator, a virtual impossibility given modern forensic techniques. They would also need the collusion of forensic scientists who examine the bodies and/or clothing of victims.
Finally in 1984 The Police And Criminal Evidence Act was introduced which meant formal procedures had to be followed when interviewing suspects, including tape recording. The Act also gave interviewees stated rights including breaks.
DNA convicted Castree (who WASN'T fitted up) and it would now clear Stefan Kiszko.
You're right I spelt a word wrong through not concentrating. Next time I'll get it right but you'll ALWAYS be a tosser.
Here's a list of your errors:
'gets' should be capitalised;
'Man' should not be;
'and' should be capitalised;
so should 'i';
'its' should have an apostrophe after the t. Three in one sentence, not bad. But thanks for the lesson, you're obviously a product of New Labour's education system.
There was a case recently where a woman was charged with robbery because her DNA was found in the house where the robbery took place.
It was found on a greetings card which she had signed for the woman whose house it was.
They were work colleagues
Very good point above post, DNA is not a reason to find someone guilty.
When your DNA is found in an area where a crime as been committed you are asked if you know of any reason why it should be there, that would clear up any misunderstanding just like the lady did.
Some people do swear they have not been in a million miles of an area when questioned and that's when the cops will get suspicious of you, especially when they have your finger prints and DNA in that area.
This debate and its been a good one thankfully, the idiots who normally post on here have stayed away,is about other evidence known to the police and being withheld to get a guilty verdict when they knew the person was innocent.
They took advantage of man known for his poor mental health a vulnerable man who depended on his mother to survive, she proved to be one hell of a mother the cop and forensic officers proved trust must be earned.
Not as easy, DNA cannot prove guilt in most cases. The police are a well known corrupt force. The list of innocent people framed by the police is endless. Thousands of people are in jail because of police corruption.
Britain: Police want children routinely put on DNA database
The national DNA database should contain convicted criminals only. Any government that was actually SERIOUS about reducing crime would address what is far and away the most crucial issue; the chronic leniency endemic in the Courts and criminal justice system as a whole. There is no point in using science to catch people and then letting them off with a slap on the wrist.
DNA was the reason Ronald Castree was found guilty. No-one's saying HE was fitted up.
Back on topic. £50K could of been spent on improving our own hospitals riddled with MRSA, poor management, shoddy staff which would make Doctor Nick off the Simpsons blush. Unfortunately for residents of Tameside we pay high taxes for third world standards.
It was revealed this week that Tameside Hospital was in top 12 for being the worst hospital in the UK.
Thanks for the info TE. They are just so corrupt!
"DNA convicted Castree (who WASN'T fitted up) and it would now clear Stefan Kiszko."
I disagree (and come late to this discussion...)
Ronald Castree was also fitted up. There is overwhelming evidence that the murderer of Lesley Molseed was Raymond Hewlett.
To believe that they would fit one innocent man up (by hiding evidence) but would NOT fit another man up (by planting evidence) is naive.
The true question is WHY did they convict Kiszko and now Castree?
I believe Raymond Hewlett was given some kind of a deal, and his time in Ireland is the clue as to what that deal involved.
Will anyone fight for Castree? No.
They've gotten away with it now that Raymond Hewlett is dead. Castree will rot in jail for a crime he did not commit, and that is simply that.
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